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$5 a Gallon?!

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mmoschetto · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2008 · Points: 0

I've heard gas will likely hit $5 a gallon by summer. Thats something to consider when planning a summer road trip!

Is there anyone out there who would want to join up for a summer U.S. sport climbing trip?
I've got from the middle of May until the middle of August to play with.

P.M. me if you want to come up with something.
Matt

S Denny · · Aspen, CO · Joined Sep 2008 · Points: 20

source? not that I would be at all surprised.

Woodchuck ATC · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 3,280

maybe you can set up a carpool kind of relay. you get to some locale and then pick up another partner/ride to some more climbs for a week or so. Not sure in this economy who has all the free time except college kids on huge scholarships with time and money to spend for 3 months.

Ball · · Oakridge, OR · Joined Jan 2010 · Points: 70

It's more about the dollar going down to 1/5th a gallon. Everything will be more expensive due to too many dollars.

You think driving in the US is expensive don't even consider traveling abroad.

Woodchuck ATC · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 3,280

40 mpg+ vehicle here too, but still the price of gas around the Chicago area tends to be almost the highest in the 48 states due to endless city, state and local taxes on it. $3.99 is the low price gas today. Only went over 4 bucks for a few weeks a couple years ago, but they think it will easily be there by Memorial Day. And don't even get me started on what happens if we allow an attack on Iran nukes in the next few months.

iClimb5fun · · Santa Clara, UT · Joined Feb 2012 · Points: 10

Easy with the politics my friends. If you don't want to pay for gas, don't drive. But I liked the idea of a carpool "relay" type of thing, I live in Southern Utah and I'd be game to pick up a leg of that. My summers are usually pretty freed up.

Bob Dergay · · Colorado · Joined Oct 2006 · Points: 101
David Sahalie wrote:climbers will need to start thinking Civic instead of Tacoma.
Yup.... +1
M Sprague · · New England · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 5,090

At least it is making me explore more locally and I have found a bunch of really good new bouldering near by that somehow I had missed before. I am bummed that it is going to be harder for me to get up to the NH crags that I have been developing the last few years though. I usually go in for 3 days at a time to make the drive and hike in worth it, but it is hard for my friends to be able to get that much time so we can carpool. A hundred bucks in gas per weekend plus bolts, brushes, food and wine gets a little nuts. I already cut out the watermellon.

Mike Lane · · AnCapistan · Joined Jan 2006 · Points: 880
Peter Stokes · · Them Thar Hills · Joined Apr 2009 · Points: 150
Colby Wayment wrote: Funny how people only think of personal driving habits when they think of the cost of gas. There are very few things we probably have ever purchased that have not been distributed by way of trucking.
Yup- if you have it, it came on a truck.

And Mike Lane- that's about the best photo I've seen on MP in a long time.
Wes P · · Mammoth Lakes, Ca · Joined Jun 2009 · Points: 330

I've filled my truck up once in the last 4 months or so. Ive been sticking around town, walking, taking the bus, and driving my girlfriends more fuel efficient car whenever we have to go out of town.

Mike Lane · · AnCapistan · Joined Jan 2006 · Points: 880
Peter Stokes wrote: Yup- if you have it, it came on a truck. And Mike Lane- that's about the best photo I've seen on MP in a long time.
I poached it from Ryan Tuleja
H BL · · Colorado · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 95

I know I'll get hammered by the more liberal types on this. Gas in some places in Cali has hit just about $5/gallon. I know my bro is paying somewhere in the high 3's back in NYC, mostly because they have the crap taxed out of them.
Back when Bush was in office he got hammered when gas was hitting $3/gallon. The media was screaming for him to tap into the strategic petroleum oil reserves and that he was playing to his big oil people. Why hasn't the current PResident received the same type of critism? When Bush tapped the reserve and put more into the market the price dropped. WHile I love the idea of sensible green technology it's not here yet. It's all so he can press his will and the government's will upon us, giving money to green initiatives that go bankrupt and waste more of our money. Are you going to pay for me to by a new car? Hmmm?

I think the idea of the climbing carpool is sweet! I think it has the makings of an epic movie!!!

Ball · · Oakridge, OR · Joined Jan 2010 · Points: 70
David Sahalie wrote:oil is a limited resource, so the price will always go up. climbers will need to start thinking Civic instead of Tacoma.
Right...oil only goes up, except when it goes down.

Gas prices in this country are at historic lows, if you buy with pre-1964 dimes, quarters, or half-dollars.
Tim M · · none · Joined Sep 2008 · Points: 293

Domestic oil production is currently at an 8 year high.

Woodchuck ATC · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 3,280

I remember how it stayed about 35 cents a gallon for years and years....then in 1973' when I bought my first car out of college, BOOM! It tripled up to a dollar a gal. and was scarce to find for that summer. Think if it tripled again due to some crisis ahead.... over 9 bucks a gal. in just a week or two..... All out war in the Middle east could easily go nuclear to put a stop to the threats.

Levi Kepsel · · Paducah KY · Joined Jul 2009 · Points: 0

Inflation. Seriously. Anyone want to buy my Tacoma? Or trade for a Civic?

Ball · · Oakridge, OR · Joined Jan 2010 · Points: 70

The reason it tripled after '73 is because Nixon reneged on Bretton Woods in '71 due to the financing of butter and guns (Vietnam) with debt and the printing press.

Not only did we rack up a $14T debt, the Federal Reserve (which is neither) in 2007-8 printed in *excess* of that to bail out their friends the world-over (including Ghadaffi). Do you think you can print $14T on one end without severe consequences on the other?

This reminds me of Chavez blaming the butchers for the price of meat. You can drop all the bombs you want, but that isn't going to increase the value of the dollar. In fact, quite the opposite.

Umph! · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2004 · Points: 180
Ball wrote:The reason it tripled after '73 is because Nixon reneged on Bretton Woods in '71 due to the financing of butter and guns (Vietnam) with debt and the printing press. Not only did we rack up a $14T debt, the Federal Reserve (which is neither) in 2007-8 printed in *excess* of that to bail out their friends the world-over (including Ghadaffi). Do you think you can print $14T on one end without severe consequences on the other? This reminds me of Chavez blaming the butchers for the price of meat. You can drop all the bombs you want, but that isn't going to increase the value of the dollar. In fact, quite the opposite.
Exactly. . . printing money comes at a big, long-term cost.

However, OAPEC enacted an oil embargo (and production cuts) in 73 due to our supporting (continued) of Israel following their being attacked (yet again) by Syria and Egypt; this of course, jacked up the oil prices. The Arabs hate it when we support their deitic nemesis: Israel, the Great Satan!

This is why we increased our domestic production, and why it's important that we keep our domestic production strong (and even growing).

The mess known as the middle-east is a very big reason behind the spiking cost - unfortunately, we've been a huge support in that mess, and simultaneously we've reduced our own abilities to extract/produce and refine. . . this makes our situation much worse, of course, esp. for the longer run.
Umph! · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2004 · Points: 180
Timmamok wrote:Domestic oil production is currently at an 8 year high.
No thanks to drilling on Federal lands. On Fed lands the production is significantly down; as is the refining capacity, production, future permits and unnecessary "red tape" (which is up) - down, down , down.

Production is UP 5% because of drilling on Private lands.
Production is down 14% on Federal lands. . . that's significant.

The international demand for oil is UP (in case that wasn't obvious).
Jeremy Hand · · Northern VA · Joined Feb 2012 · Points: 100

If you adjust for inflation gas in my area is on par with what it was in the 80s.... But also people always say we should drill more here to lower the price... that doesn't make sense, since oil is speculated on the global market not a national one it would only make a negligible difference for a very brief period.
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