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By Fred Cornwallace
Nov 15, 2010

Jason Kaplan wrote:
Im not sure about the Jasper, but I have hit slaughterhouse. Pretty easy though IMHO. My jeeps fromt plate is similar to what you mentioned, I think it is tied with parachute cord and a bungee strap. Never gone over mosquito but have done weston in a subaru. have you ever seen spring creek or carnage canyon? better yet blanca, indy, holy cross, 21 road, and buena vista's carnage canyon? those trails are tough. Mark if you are serious about wheeling you should consider a locker, a cheap one runs bout $300 and is well worth it, lock rites are easy to install. It prevents tires in the air from stealing all of your power and leaving you going no where, like on rutted out hills or when you lift a tire in any occasion.


Weston is amazing- a good recommendation. Locker sounds like a good idea or what about a utility trailer. Anyone taken this advice?


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By Olaf Mitchell
From Paia, Maui, Hi,
Nov 30, 2010
rockerwaves

Time for the wench!
Time for the wench!


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By Cocoapuffs 1000
Nov 30, 2010

joe q fed up wrote:
gasoline athletes! 8$ per gallon will cure all this crap! talk about needing to show some respect for fragile environments. JEEE-ZUS!


Sorry, I don't post here much but I had to say something because this kind of attitude really, really pisses me off. How often do you have to defend climbing to someone who doesn't understand it? You know why we have so many access issues? Because of people who don't care about climbing and think it's silly (which is okay) and conclude, consciously or subconsciously, that because they don't understand it, it must not be worth doing (which is not okay).

There are plenty of activities that I think are stupid, but I respect that there are other people that enjoy them. Think about that the next time your favorite crag gets shut down because some hikers complained.

P.S. Maybe you forgot that most climbers drive their carbon-spewing cars across the county to climb... if you really respected the environment, you would forget climbing and stay home.


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By Olaf Mitchell
From Paia, Maui, Hi,
Nov 30, 2010
rockerwaves

joe q fed up wrote:
gasoline athletes! 8$ per gallon will cure all this crap! talk about needing to show some respect for fragile environments. JEEE-ZUS!

Well I guess that most of us agree with you Dude. BUT, It's pretty Cool when Your Rig Is up to the Task!


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By no1nprtclr
From Front range Colorado
Dec 1, 2010

More than likely a LOT of people have skills and cajones to school all you guys!!! But, seriously, this is a climbing forum. Your squeals and wheels don't really apply here do they????? No.... not really!!!!!! Go find the forum you "guys" belong to. I know it's under the 'other sport' section: but is 4x4'ing a "sport"? Push a gas pedal woo hoo what sport that is, woo hoo.... Like climbing falls, without balls..... Go gasless
Man!!!!! Anyone can push a gas pedal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Juan


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By Jason Kaplan
From Glenwood ,Co
Dec 1, 2010
avitar pic <br />

Way to discriminate! Yea, 4 wheeling is a sport do you live under a rock? Your crying about a thread that is 2 pages in length and has been here for 4 years! Does your whiney post and the slew of other derogatory posts belong here??? NO! We all no climbers have no environmental impact whatsoever...


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By Olaf Mitchell
From Paia, Maui, Hi,
Dec 1, 2010
rockerwaves

On my way to the climb !
On my way to the climb !


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By Jason Kaplan
From Glenwood ,Co
Dec 1, 2010
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Looks like fun Olaf!

I think the island in the sky is gonna wait till my rig is done, sure as hell don't want to beat my daily driver up that much... Wheeling and climbing sometimes go hand in hand. Blanca peak, and the crestones come to mind. Canyonlands... Arch and Texas canyon, same way. The big rock candy mountain is not something you can drive a subaru to either.

Smassey, that techy road is probly the Holy Cross ghost town jeep trail. It's on the list for sure, we hiked up there when we were kids and it looks like a rough one.


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By Olaf Mitchell
From Paia, Maui, Hi,
Dec 1, 2010
rockerwaves

This is the rig I used when I was teaching climbing just north of Big Bend. <br />She was a beaut as well as a brute!
This is the rig I used when I was teaching climbing just north of Big Bend.
She was a beaut as well as a brute!


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By Woodchuck ATC
Dec 1, 2010
Rock Wars, RRG, 2008

Olaf Mitchell wrote:
Well I guess that most of us agree with you Dude. BUT, It's pretty Cool when Your Rig Is up to the Task!


Agree I'm 'green' for life, with 44mpg cars last 37 years so I'm a clean climber. 4WD isn't my thing either, but the ride does look impressive for what it's worth.


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By Olaf Mitchell
From Paia, Maui, Hi,
Dec 2, 2010
rockerwaves

Woodchuck ATC wrote:
Agree I'm 'green' for life, with 44mpg cars last 37 years so I'm a clean climber. 4WD isn't my thing either, but the ride does look impressive for what it's worth.

It's about smiles per gallon my friend. That makes it fun! How was your comute this morning?
shaka!
shaka!


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By Brian Snider
From NorCal
Dec 2, 2010
Me

Did he say anyone can push a gas pedal? Wheeling is so much more. I've seen those guys that can only push pedal and it can get ugly. Wheeling requires a skilled driver a good spoter and a capable rig an thing les and its not fun. Just like moving up a crack you need finese and skill. The rubicon is a ten of ten and took a day longer then we planed but what an epic adventure. Four days to go 22 miles if u f up there's no tow truck coming to get you, your totally committed.
87 Cherokee 4.5 inch lift running 33s on stock danas I tread very lightly so f u hippies. Btw 10 mpg in he city less than 5 on the trail.


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By BDergay
From Eldorado
Dec 2, 2010
Jayy-Dogg on rappel

Driving over rocks slower than you could walk past them.... yes, such an amazing skill-set. yawn....

If you're four-wheeling to get somewhere cool, awesome. But to thrash the back-country with your monster-muddied tonka toy just to see if you can thrash it... smacks of compensating...

If you want to impress people, run all the passes in a beater VW. Raise the bar, not just the suspension on another silly-ass rock-crawler p.o.s..


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By Brian Snider
From NorCal
Dec 2, 2010
Me

Yea because climbing rock by foot is a skill needed for every day life. Oh no it isn't it's just fun. Yes my rig is a pos that's why I don't mind thrashing it. First trail I did was a 7/10 on 27 inch street tires 12 miles in three days now that's raising the bar. Had to build a rock bridge every 50 feet. So what did I do. kind of like a climber trains for the next climb I took it to the shop and put my blood sweat and tears in to that thing to make stronger and more capable. Just like climbers we have access issues so we don't go shittin where we sleep. Every group has it's bad seeds but the majority of us love the outdoors as much as you do. As for going sweet places do a quick search of the rubicon it's about as amazing as it gets. World famous and dates back to the native Americans. Ok I admit I went to a ohv park once biggest waste of my trucks balls. Driving in a circle over man made obstacles is lame.


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By Cocoapuffs 1000
Dec 2, 2010

Bob Dergay wrote:
Driving over rocks slower than you could walk past them.... yes, such an amazing skill-set. yawn.... If you're four-wheeling to get somewhere cool, awesome. But to thrash the back-country with your monster-muddied tonka toy just to see if you can thrash it... smacks of compensating... If you want to impress people, run all the passes in a beater VW. Raise the bar, not just the suspension on another silly-ass rock-crawler p.o.s..


Really? Have you ever tried it? And please explain to me how knowing how to climb is a better skill set.

I have a better idea - YOU raise the bar and throw away all your climbing shoes. You'll impress more people if you do it barefoot.


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By Devin C.
Dec 2, 2010

Alias wrote:
... Are you assholes really trying to convince anyone that the "sport"? of 4x4ing is environmentally non destructive? Seriously? ...


Ha, are you serious??? I don't think anyone here is claiming it is absolutely non-destructive. There is a way to lessen the impact just like in all outdoor activities. stay on the trail, pack it in pack it out, all that good stuff.

Do you think climbing is an eco-friendly activity? I'd like to hear your argument for that if you do.

Climbing is a great activity but it has its eco-downfalls as well.


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By Umph!
Dec 2, 2010

Alias wrote:
I guess that is why most ORV enthusiasts seem to have a beer permanently welded in one hand and a belly flopping over their belt! Thanks for the laugh!


Of course it has the potential of being much more destructive (4 wheelin').
However, "most ORV enthusiasts" stay the trail and ride only on existing roads and trails - most of which were put in by miners and surveyors and such years and years ago.
I do appreciate a good laugh, and your description of an ORV enthusiast served well. Unfortunately, your bias and retarded profiling shows how painfully ignorant you actually are.

Dirt biking, for example, is a full-body workout that'll whip yer ass unless you're just put-pttin down the trail for a little bit.
I can guarantee you that you wouldn't have a chance in hell keeping up with the technical and physical skill required to ride a dirt bike with even a moderate rider. . . and certainly not for any distance.
An expert rider would leave you speechless - and hours later, if you were able to make it to the end point (you wouldn't btw), you'd be worthless the next day as your body will be seriously flogged.
The pros ride at a ridiculous pace, and their technical skill and physical prowess are both incredible.

Scott Summers (mid-90's) dead-lifting/curling an awkward ~300lbs. <br /> <br />Yeah, he's waaaay outa shape.
Scott Summers (mid-90's) dead-lifting/curling an awkward ~300lbs.

Yeah, he's waaaay outa shape.


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By Jason Kaplan
From Glenwood ,Co
Dec 2, 2010
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I don't understand why a thread about wheeling attracts the morons who don't understand guideline #1. Seriously, FUCK OFF, if you don't wheel and don't have anything nice or better yet positive to contribute, keep it to your fucking self!

If your really concerned step out of your armchair, stop QBing from the sideline, DO something about it, and STOP DRIVING!


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By Umph!
Dec 2, 2010

In response to Alias' pathetic, half-assed retort, which he has since deleted out of pure cowardice:

Well lets go for a ride ("Alias"), and we'll see who's full of shit.
I can assure you that I can climb all day long. . . and can assure you that you cannot even come close to riding with me all day long. . .hell, you couldn't even come close to riding the trails I ride, period.
Prove me wrong hot shot.

If you're riding/driving on existing trails/roads then your "environmental impact" isn't going to be any greater than riding on an existing road, paved or gravel. If you think otherwise you're a fool who's attempting to insert feel-goodism bullshit into actuality.
Besides, what about those who haven't the same physical abilities as you? Maybe the only way some people can gain access into our more natural lands is via a motorized vehicle. Ever think of that? Are you against the fundamentals of the ADA? Why do you hate disabled people?
No matter how you look at it, your argument is worthless and thoughtless.
If you were arguing noise pollution, then you'd have a point - but you aren't sound enough to bridge that argument on your own. However, yelling from belayer to climber isn't exactly peaceful music to other non-climbing users. In fact, it's often vulgar and obnoxious.
You seem to be a typical brain-dead follower of Al Gore who would rather embrace good "feelings", before good thought.

Good luck with that.


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By Olaf Mitchell
From Paia, Maui, Hi,
Dec 3, 2010
rockerwaves

I get it? So, If? I NEVER LOSE TRACTION, YOU will acknowledge ME?


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By Sam Stephens
Dec 3, 2010
Top half of Melifluous

I used to do a lot of rock crawlin for several years. I got huge into it and dumped tons of money into my rig. I had to sell it recently but want to get another one going as soon as I get settled somewhere.


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By Jason Kaplan
From Glenwood ,Co
Dec 3, 2010
avitar pic <br />

Nice man, looks like a pretty decent rig!


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By Devin Shunk
Dec 3, 2010

Alias wrote:
Thread about "wheeling" on MP = Moronic


Really? Why do you think that? Climbing takes us outdoors and lets us get away from stuff. So does wheeling. Yeah, it might not be as physically demanding, and it may even be a stretch to call it a "sport" to some people. But then again, calling climbing a "sport" can be viewed as a stretch unless you are competing against other climbers. But who cares, wheeling gets us outside and it is an adventure. Plus, there are a lot of times that I "wheel" to get to the places I want to climb.

And to those that think it is just a matter of "pushing the pedal" - you should come out on a wheeling trip sometime and see how just "pushing the pedal" works out for you. Then hope that someone who is competent at wheeling is nice enough to pull you out or flip your vehicle back to its right side.

For the wheeling lovers, here are a couple of links to my build thread if you are interested:


Part 1 - From the beginning

Part 2 - nearing the end


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By Devin Shunk
Dec 3, 2010

Sam Stephens wrote:
I used to do a lot of rock crawlin for several years. I got huge into it and dumped tons of money into my rig. I had to sell it recently but want to get another one going as soon as I get settled somewhere.


Nice looking rig.


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By Glenn Cilley
From Laconia, NH
Jan 15, 2011
FA of Highway Star <br />photo by Christina Callaghan

My 1953 Dodge M37

wheeling in NH
wheeling in NH


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