Will future big names all come from competitive gym climbing?

NESteve wrote:Who cares?!?! gyms have taken the soul out of the sport and replaced it with plastic BS. !

Climbing has no soul, it is not a thing. It is something that YOU do. The fact that someone else enjoys something similar but in a different way than you do should not effect your enjoyment of it. If it does, that sounds like a personal problem.

NESteve wrote:I bet theres lots of guys out there with no sponsor who you dost read about in the magazines because there not sponsored and just climb because they love itstead of look at me I want to be famous!!!!!

This if for sure true, and it is perfect. Those who do not pursue sponsors or attention, will, by their own intent, not get sponsors or attention. What's wrong with that? How does that affect how much you enjoy this sport?

Michael Schneider wrote:Tat the Red River in Kentucky it was a very young David Hume. I Think? Who said of the climb called the Maddness?, that it was nothing more than a gym ladder climb - or something like that, - just before he ticked his climb ? B.O.H.I.C.A.?

That was a young Chris Sharma, back when he was still a cocky little punk. He called The Madness a "crimp ladder with no moves."

NESteve wrote:I bet theres lots of guys out there with no sponsor who you dost read about in the magazines because there not sponsored and just climb because they love itstead of look at me I want to be famous!!!!!

Yeah who would want to make a living climbing, that sounds horrible. What a bunch of narcissistic freaks.

NESteve wrote:...Its CLIMBING I thought the idea was to start at the bottem and go up not walk around first or pracise at some plastic cave next to the MALL!!! - oh I went "climbing" and then hit the gap next door NOT FOR ME!!!

HAHA what?!

NESteve wrote:Who cares?!?! gyms have taken the soul out of the sport and replaced it with plastic BS. I bet theres lots of guys out there with no sponsor who you dost read about in the magazines because there not sponsored and just climb because they love itstead of look at me I want to be famous!!!!! plastic, to sport to topdown "TRAD" I'd rather not climb 5.13 then cheat!!!! Its CLIMBING I thought the idea was to start at the bottem and go up not walk around first or pracise at some plastic cave next to the MALL!!! - oh I went "climbing" and then hit the gap next door NOT FOR ME!!!

Lawlz.

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Jake Jones wrote:^ To be fair, if that's at the Gunks, those numbers really equate to about 5.11.

Nope thats just what NY'ers say to make themselves feel better...

Hey, guys, you just demonstrated why people think MP is full of jerks. NWSteve clearly has some issues, typing being one, but poking fun at people's page and climbing abilities (this is a site about climbing, right?), is a super quick way to chase people off and make our community look pretty bad. And no, I have nothing posted myself, yet, because of exactly this.

Old lady H wrote:Hey, guys, you just demonstrated why people think MP is full of jerks. NWSteve clearly has some issues, typing being one, but poking fun at people's page and climbing abilities (this is a site about climbing, right?), is a super quick way to chase people off and make our community look pretty bad. And no, I have nothing posted myself, yet, because of exactly this.

I'm sorry but I wasn't commenting on NESteve at all... I'm leaving that cookie alone.

Climbing friend,

Everyone will be pulling the plastic climbing rocks, if they are not already. You must not be angry, bitter, and afraid, going on internet wang-slapping campaign equivalent of old man say "get off my lawn"

In fact, it is a great way to build your neck and back meat for considerable pulling power and impressive guns for when you would be taking off your shirt.

Old lady H wrote:Hey, guys, you just demonstrated why people think MP is full of jerks. NWSteve clearly has some issues, typing being one, but poking fun at people's page and climbing abilities (this is a site about climbing, right?), is a super quick way to chase people off and make our community look pretty bad. And no, I have nothing posted myself, yet, because of exactly this.

Agreed. That was poor form pnelson

Isn't Hagis and Cold Toast a badass ice lead? I've never climbed it but have heard about it.

Old lady H wrote:Hey, guys, you just demonstrated why people think MP is full of jerks.

NEsteve is a jerk every time he makes a post. You get what you give.

Tom Sherman wrote:Isn't Hagis and Cold Toast a badass ice lead? I've never climbed it but have heard about it.

The one in Chapel Pond? No, I felt it was a nice and mellow climb if I remember correctly. Maybe a little easier than Hobbit Coulouir in Frankenstein?

divnamite wrote: The one in Chapel Pond?

Gotcha, a partner asked me if I wanted to lead it, and when he mentioned dry-tooling and passive pro I sort of lost interest, haha over my pay-grade. Only been on Hobbit's once, but good analogy. That one scared me good, back when I was on straight shaft tools, no leashes, and glacier crampons, never drytooled before... Made it up clean though somehow!

Old lady H wrote:Hey, guys, you just demonstrated why people think MP is full of jerks. NWSteve clearly has some issues, typing being one, but poking fun at people's page and climbing abilities (this is a site about climbing, right?), is a super quick way to chase people off and make our community look pretty bad. And no, I have nothing posted myself, yet, because of exactly this.

Nobody deserves to have their style or ability denigrated. Unless they have first denigrated others' styles or abilities. Which is exactly what NWsteve did.

BITD, when I started, there was only trad climbing.
(Trad) Climbers were generally regarded as socially incompetent misfits, or worse. NE Steve is simply carrying on this time honored tradition.
Don't let the gym climbers take it away from us!

Tom Sherman wrote: Gotcha, a partner asked me if I wanted to lead it, and when he mentioned dry-tooling and passive pro I sort of lost interest, haha over my pay-grade. Only been on Hobbit's once, but good analogy. That one scared me good, back when I was on straight shaft tools, no leashes, and glacier crampons, never drytooled before... Made it up clean though somehow!

Do you really need to drytool Hobbits? I haven't been up there for a while now, I don't remember needing dry tool, maybe getting into the climb from the belay ledge? Penguin is another excellent route if chimney is your thing. Skylight in Ouray is one of my favorite.

Big name that never even enter a Jim or a competition..... Maurizio Zanolla.. Aka the Wizard

DEF wrote: Yeah who would want to make a living climbing, that sounds horrible. What a bunch of narcissistic freaks.

I was a sponsored semi-pro mountain biker and wanted nothing to do with cycling for a living. It had nothing to do with anything other than I didn't want my time away from work to turn into a job. I just liked getting free swag, race registration, and travel to and from events. Was never interested in making money throught it. I realize you are being sarcastic but I thought it was worth pointing out that plenty of self-centered people decline professional sponsorship, myself included.

divnamite wrote: Do you really need to drytool Hobbits?

I'm using verbiage wrong. The ice was good enough for your tools, but my glacier crampons couldn't get purchase without fracturing. So I ended up making mixed moves with my feet, basically stemming on almost bare rock. Might have just been a case of having the wrong gear for the job. I remember a lot of verglas, but there must have been some ice because my leader got a stubby or 13 in at some point.

EDIT: or I just can't remember IDK, all the mp photos look fat