New Ice tools 2015/2016?

Anyone heard anything on new tools recently? Other than the X-dream alpine and the two new grivel carbon tools...

The Viper is being updated soon. Looked like a non-hydroformed shaft with one of those fashionable sliding triggers.

right ! i also knew about those, sliped my mind,

so as we stand:

Grivel Teck Machine Carbon
Grivel North Machine Carbon
Camp/Cassin X-Dream Alpine
BD Viper Carbon

http://blog.weighmyrack.com/newest-gear-coming-fall-2015-from-the-winter-outdoor-trade-show/

I was able to handle the new vipers. From what I understand, they still are hydroformed. Looks like they use the same picks but the old hammer and adze options will not fit on the new tools (this is all from what I saw when checking them out) I guess its possible that they will change that but seems unlikely.

found this on Google image... can`t read the language but it does say Grivel Force Alloy, is this a Force Alloy and 2014??? head design is diffrent and must be light as hell !

Grivel ??

very interesting

expo.planetmountain.com/en/…

would be curious to see if those soul tools get a t rating

anything new for 2017 ? doesn't seem to be much announced so far ...

I haven't seen anything new for ice tools this year. I'm still really liking my Cassin X-All Mountain for ice, but picking up some X-dreams for mixed. I don't know if Petzl feels like their tools are still top of the game, but I'm surprised we haven't seen anything new from them for this year. It's been a few years since their big updates.

Black Diamond redesigned or rebranded their pick line up for this year: Ice pick, Ice+ pick, and Mixed pick which appear to be the Laser pick, Fusion ice pick, and Fusion pick.

Hard to tell if they actually updated them.

alpinejason wrote:Black Diamond redesigned or rebranded their pick line up for this year: Ice pick, Ice+ pick, and Mixed pick which appear to be the Laser pick, Fusion ice pick, and Fusion pick. Hard to tell if they actually updated them.

If they did then the Fuel tools could be really awesome. I demoed them last year and thought that everything about them was great except the difficulty in cleaning them. They stuck too well. Hard to clean sometimes without a big jerk. A redesigned pick would fix the issue.

Zac.St.Jules wrote:would be curious to see if those soul tools get a t rating

For the record, Kong's website says their Soul tools get a CEN Type II rating:
kong.it/en/2-products/items…

Still look weird though

Ryan Hamilton wrote: If they did then the Fuel tools could be really awesome. I demoed them last year and thought that everything about them was great except the difficulty in cleaning them. They stuck too well. Hard to clean sometimes without a big jerk. A redesigned pick would fix the issue.

I wonder if they're using better steel these days - BD picks break like a mother.

damn those souls are sexxxy

Ryan Hamilton wrote:I don't know if Petzl feels like their tools are still top of the game, but I'm surprised we haven't seen anything new from them for this year. It's been a few years since their big updates.

Petzl released 2 brand new ice axes just a couple weeks ago. But they are straight-shafted aluminum axes aimed at the ultralight ski-mountaineering demographic.

Ryan Hamilton wrote:[...]I don't know if Petzl feels like their tools are still top of the game, but I'm surprised we haven't seen anything new from them for this year. It's been a few years since their big updates.

The new PUR'ICE Pick

Ryan Hamilton wrote: If they did then the Fuel tools could be really awesome. I demoed them last year and thought that everything about them was great except the difficulty in cleaning them. They stuck too well. Hard to clean sometimes without a big jerk. A redesigned pick would fix the issue.

I prefer a sticky tool than one that easily pops out (AKA DMM Switch)! You can easily modify a pick to stick less but modifying a pick to stick more is a pretty hard feat.

Burcheydawwwwwwg wrote: I wonder if they're using better steel these days - BD picks break like a mother.

Yup, imagine Grivel or Petzl steel for those picks?

Luc wrote: The new PUR'ICE Pick I prefer a sticky tool than one that easily pops out (AKA DMM Switch)! You can easily modify a pick to stick less but modifying a pick to stick more is a pretty hard feat. Yup, imagine Grivel or Petzl steel for those picks?

Gives better penetration.. That's what she said!! It's about time Petzl came out with a pick you have to take a file to for half an hour.

You really looking for a pick that sticks more? I find that the way tools are designed these days it's hard to have a tool pop on you. Do you experience something different? I'm confortable on WI4 but conditions have to be hero for me to do grade 5. Is it a grade thing?

Bill Kirby wrote: Gives better penetration.. That's what she said!! It's about time Petzl came out with a pick you have to take a file to for half an hour. You really looking for a pick that sticks more? I find that the way tools are designed these days it's hard to have a tool pop on you. Do you experience something different? I'm confortable on WI4 but conditions have to be hero for me to do grade 5. Is it a grade thing?

I know, I filed my Quark picks to match the X-All Mountain, took a while but the results are amazing (and last longer than the Cassin's!)

The only tool I have that I will not pull outwards on when placed in ice is the DMM Switch, unless it's buried to the head with the top notches gripping the ice.
It's an amazing tool once you know how it behaves, never any struggling, just lots of hooking moves and reserving your stamina for where it counts.

Theriault wrote:BD Viper Carbon blog.weighmyrack.com/newest…

Where did you get carbon from? These are aluminum shafts.

Luc wrote: I know, I filed my Quark picks to match the X-All Mountain, took a while but the results are amazing (and last longer than the Cassin's!) The only tool I have that I will not pull outwards on when placed in ice is the DMM Switch, unless it's buried to the head with the top notches gripping the ice. It's an amazing tool once you know how it behaves, never any struggling, just lots of hooking moves and reserving your stamina for where it counts.

Huh.. I would like to check those tools out. Although if I'm pulling outward on a tool, even with new designs, things are going wrong and shit's about to get real. Haha..

I would like a mixed tool that you could pull outward and not end up hanging in space checking for punctures.

If folks havent already, check out krukonogi's instagram. They've got some beauties going into testing.