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El Potrero Chico

Crag Dweller · · New York, NY · Joined Jul 2006 · Points: 125

That's an interesting perspective. I thought that maybe the event was more removed from the climbing areas than was depicted. But, that's not what I'm getting from that response. And, it seems to me that this issue is rather different than a comparison of airline and automobile accidents.

There's good reason to suspect this is related to the ongoing war between drug cartels. And, when a war spreads into a new area, clinical risk assessment skills would lead many to conclude that the risk in that area has grown.

Maybe this is a single incident and not the beginning of a trend. But, reporting it is an example of responsible journalism, IMO.

M Sprague · · New England · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 5,090

...and you can't hit replay if you don't like how the game is going, or turn the movie off.

M Sprague · · New England · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 5,090

Now for a fantasy break from reality: Machete in 420 seconds

Warning, in german and there are boobs and asses, very nice ones I might add.
youtu.be/UdU3OAXi5ug

Tony Hawk · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2009 · Points: 0

How come any time someone needs to justify something dangerous (regardless of what it is) they bring up the "much more dangerous to drive"

As if it has any relevance to the dangerous situation they are putting themselves (ice climbing, soloing, going to northern Mexico in the midst of the drug war, etc).

If you are going to use that driving stat as some sort of justification - use real stats. Give me a stat that shows how dangerous driving is when you drive the speed limit, have your seat belt on, aren't drunk, aren't driving in the middle of the night or on New Years Eve, etc...and throw out of the equation the people who kill themselves and/or passengers with their own reckless driving or driving drunk or high - because if you are simply driving around using standard safe driving protocol ONLY deaths occurring randomly should be used - i.e. john Doe was on his way to work and a drunk driver came out of nowhere and killed him. That would make it at least somewhat relevant to traveling to Mexico, using standard "traveling to a potentially dangerous location, but I'm keeping a low profile, not going brazenly out at night, etc." protocol and getting beheaded anyways.

For FU*Ks sake if you are going to ice climb, hit up K2, solo at your limit, or travel to international (or domestic) locals that are crime ridden and dangerous just admit it is dangerous and you are willing/wanting to take the risk. Enjoy your life, but stop pretending.

edmundo · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2014 · Points: 0

The main reason that this problem exists in México is because of all the drug use in the United States, the shippments go trough Monterrey, so please tell our friends in USA to do something about it.

Your apetite for drugs is creating a nigthmare to your neighbor in america, and that country is México, and to make matters worst the love for guns that USA has, makes it very easy to get them and bring them to our country.

If there is corruption in México it is not the USA business, that is something we have to deal with, but for sure it is a great injustice that a poor country like México has to pay such a heavy pricefor your love of drugs.

America is a big continent and the drugs travel from Colombia, central America and finally México to get to the rich consumer. USA.....please do something about that.

Hunter Lombardi · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2015 · Points: 0

Hey all,

I was looking to take a group of college students down to EPC for a winter climbing trip. Has anyone been down there recently and know of the safety of the climbing areas. I have to sell the trip to administration so any information would be helpful. Thanks!

mountainhick · · Black Hawk, CO · Joined Mar 2009 · Points: 120
Hunter Lombardi wrote:Hey all, I was looking to take a group of college students down to EPC for a winter climbing trip. Has anyone been down there recently and know of the safety of the climbing areas. I have to sell the trip to administration so any information would be helpful. Thanks!
What are your proposed dates? i.e. please warn us if you are bringing a mob.
edmundo · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2014 · Points: 0

It is safe, in México people don´t carry guns for fun and recreation like in usa, just make sure that your students don´t go and try to buy drugs, that´s when there could be problems. So if you have drug addicts in your group you should leave them home.

Hunter Lombardi · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2015 · Points: 0

Looking for early to mid January and we will not be larger than 7-8. There will be no druggies among us, just people excited about climbing beautiful rock. Thanks for the info

Top Rope Hero · · Was Estes Park, now homeless · Joined Jan 2009 · Points: 1,150

I drove there last year, going again this year. No probs, not even remotely. Even drove into Monterrey for rest day shenanigans. Just don't bring guns, and don't loiter in Nuevo Laredo, AT ALL, for longer than it takes to get a sticker for your windshield, and you'll be fine. S'all good.

Derek Doucet · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2010 · Points: 66

Hey Hunter-

Email me about this. You know how to get in touch.

Derek

mountainhick · · Black Hawk, CO · Joined Mar 2009 · Points: 120
Hunter Lombardi wrote:Looking for early to mid January and we will not be larger than 7-8.
Thanks
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