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Vandalism at Statebrook

J. Serpico · · Saratoga County, NY · Joined Dec 2009 · Points: 140
Kevin Heckeler wrote: It's petty theft/vandalism of fixed gear. You can wail on about how evil they are, no one is listening. lol
just to play Devils Advocate. Since it's actually illegal to place any fixed anchors on Forest Preserve land -I'm not at all saying anchors shouldn't be placed- I wonder if it's still technically (legally) petty theft or vandalism to remove what is technically illegal contraband or abandoned property. Anyone with a legal background care to comment?
Kevin Heckeler · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 1,616
J. Serpico wrote: just to play Devils Advocate. Since it's actually illegal to place any fixed anchors on Forest Preserve land -I'm not at all saying anchors shouldn't be placed- I wonder if it's still technically (legally) petty theft or vandalism to remove what is technically illegal contraband or abandoned property. Anyone with a legal background care to comment?
I wasn't speaking from a legal standpoint, more an ethical/moral statement. After all, you can find loopholes in the tax code and not 'think' it's cheating, but you are indeed a (clever) thief and should still feel like a loser for doing it. Or getting away with any crime because of a technicality in the processing of your case (for example). The person is still a criminal and shouldn't sleep well at night. What's the saying? It's only a crime if you're caught?

My attempt was to appeal to the common sense side of the issue. Stealing is stealing, if it isn't yours to be taken.
NESteve · · Westport, NY · Joined Aug 2015 · Points: 0

Maybe henry Barber or Don Mellor should have had 3or4 people tr there routes before they put them up -that would have made them better NOT!! Funny how people get so upset about litter you can pick up but not about clearing out the bottem of cliffs and drilling holes all over the place -whats the difference. I got it to chicken to climb tillmans so we got to go find some cliff and bolt it more -how many bolts should empress get?!? THEN it'd be REALLY popular and you guys would be HEROs! This is how roots are getting put up? BS -lots of ground up going on in the Dax -just how its done, adventure not outdoor gym buildeng

Nobodys forcing me to climb your routes nobodys forcing you to spend all that money on bolts either!!!! Cant wait until all the outdoor gym climbers start hitting the ground on real routes you have to put gear on or run away because the nut is below there knees! glad I learned climbing the way I did.

City Dweller · · New York, NY · Joined Oct 2015 · Points: 10
NESteve wrote: glad I learned climbing the way I did.
Please say more about this :)
NESteve · · Westport, NY · Joined Aug 2015 · Points: 0

No Thanks trollbait!!! Off you go climbing have fun in the city should be fun!!!!

Bill Kirby · · Keene New York · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 480
Michael Schneider wrote:Don , try to take it , it is appalling that the constant is to swipe not stalk! Your accomplishments stewardship and vision are un-known . this snarky cutting response is a form of welcome , or, I always choose to see it that way. I think it may be more tolerable, even fun when I look at it that way. look at the other constant we climbers live by and next time one of the whipper-snappers Pipes up with disrespect, Just throw out the easy, true & double edged~ YAGTD, if the n00b warrants any respect Or Not Type it out Your Are Going To Die! Oh Bill, try to hit on the persons history or ask your self if this is the guy you want to Get off on the wrong foot with. There is an old saying about only getting one chance to make a first impression or is that . . . . Well every time you climb a route for the first time it is a first ascent to you. Every time you post critically, Blindly thumping your chest. It sours the less web enamored, who are often very deep rooted experienced climbers. Some times the hardest hard core of the climbers . Bill! I'm yelling at you again! ... .? We are all just trying to share - to be heard on what we know and love, climbing related stuff. You know, we all want positive responses. And a new post from a contemplative source should not be the target of your overboard criticism, I see it was very mild, not any sort of an attack, Just voicing a pet peeve about that spelling/ contraction Vs call symbol. Still a smile face would have gone a long way. Do you want to stop by Connecticut this weekend ? There is a lot of activity that is only hinted at here and it is the same In other smaller climbing zones around the Gunks. PM me if your looking for an uncrowned route in the Gunks this weekend. Cheers with jeers YAGTD,. ,, .. ,, B^D
Wow, the reply was for NESteve. He seems to think there's no bolts inside the blue line and wants to keep it wild and all that. The areas I listed have quite a few bolts and fixed anchors but no ones complaining about them. No one's definitely not stealing biners at Tongue Mountain either. I don't see how my comments could misunderstood as anti bolt and or pro theft but this is Mountain Project.

Can't believe the spell check got everyone's attention.. Except the guy I'm talking shit to.. I thought the poster of Don Mellor or Ken Nicolas comment would be funny seeing how NESteve feels... Guess I shouldn't quit my day job!

I told you I'm in Keene for a couple weeks. The routes we're climbing tomorrow are on a 46er so I doubt we will see crowds. Thanks anyway for the Gunks beta though.

For the record I'm sorry your gear got took. I was talking shit to NESteve because he does NOT . I understand my comments to NESTEVE were recieved as hostile towards Statebrook. I will not comment any further as I can't communicate my thoughts on the matter.I hope the climbing at Statebrook keeps on keeping on..
M Mobley · · Bar Harbor, ME · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 911

I think there is something to be learned here by arguing with a guy who has 3 Mtn Project points to his name eh? He is here to talk shit, he is not about sharing beta or adding routes or helping anyone do anything. Just shit talk.

I will say some peoples postings recently seem to require hallucinogenics to understand completely. Can anyone help a brotha out? Michael?

City Dweller · · New York, NY · Joined Oct 2015 · Points: 10
NESteve wrote:No Thanks trollbait!!! Off you go climbing have fun in the city should be fun!!!!
This isn't English.

:)
Suburban Roadside · · Abovetraffic on Hudson · Joined Apr 2014 · Points: 2,419
Bill Kirby wrote: Wow, the reply was for NESteve. He seems to think there's no bolts inside the blue line and wants to keep it wild and all that. The areas I listed have quite a few bolts and fixed anchors but no ones complaining about them. No one's definitely not stealing biners at Tongue Mountain either. I don't see how my comments could misunderstood as anti bolt and or pro theft but this is Mountain Project. Can't believe the spell check got everyone's attention.. Except the guy I'm talking shit to.. I thought the poster of Don Mellor or Ken Nicolas comment would be funny seeing how NESteve feels... Guess I shouldn't quit my day job! I told you I'm in Keene for a couple weeks. The routes we're climbing tomorrow are on a 46er so I doubt we will see crowds. Thanks anyway for the Gunks beta though. For the record I'm sorry your gear got took. I was talking shit to NESteve because he does NOT . I understand my comments to NESTEVE were recieved as hostile towards Statebrook. I will not comment any further as I can't communicate my thoughts on the matter.I hope the climbing at Statebrook keeps on keeping on..
My BAD hoss,
I got that all mixed up, 10/4 on NE Steve? Does he even climb?

There are some Boulder problems on a public nature trail that winds through a public

Golf course. The pub side restaurant is great, the Northern Italian side fancy.

A good end to a day where there is a courtesy cart that sells libations.

NESteve. Or any one passing and in heavy traffic, needing a break,

Off exit two on rt84 E. H~#@ Richter park Danbury Ct. There is lots more rock,
Close by but this is three minutes up hill off the high way.

From the tennis courts head toward the pond cross the foot bridge to see the Boulder
On the hill.
Slanting, overhanging, 12 ft of awful hands, the crack standing is V5? the face / flake next to it is 5.8+.

There are more good problems (14 hole?)up the hill or back off the nature trail, the other way.
Some (14) are high ball and have been exposed by heavy pruning &
A lightening strike.
Kevin Heckeler · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 1,616
T Roper wrote:I will say some peoples postings recently seem to require hallucinogenics to understand completely. Can anyone help a brotha out? Michael?
I'm with you. Totally lost trying to decipher some of these posts.
Don Redmond · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2014 · Points: 5

NE Steve, looking for some new routes to climb. Could you post some of the routes you have recently put up. Only the ones you have done ground up. Not like Tommy Caldwell did on the Dawn Wall, rapping in and top roping to find his new route before placing bolts.

NESteve · · Westport, NY · Joined Aug 2015 · Points: 0

all my ice routes and some stuff on private land I cant talk about in public. Any thing I put up in the Dax will be ground up 100% -I got my eyes on stuff you should come and do it if I tell anybody. what roots you put up ground up!?! NONE!!! you cant even REPEAT goundup rots thats why you have to go find a scrappyass crap chosspile and cut away the trees around the base use a crow bar to pry off anything that could be dangerous make sure the bolts are always close and then put in loweroff bolts (to save the trees on top and then tell evrybody LOOK I DID A NEW ROUTE. I think this is funny! Climbing is about having adventure and not going to some outdoor climbing gym where everythin is made safe for every body by someone else and a 5.2 leader can fall off the 5.10s all day for fun and who cares its like plastic pulling all day. NOt for me!!! you put up all these routs so anybody can do them and now NOBODY can have a real adventure there -fall, fall, fall, clip, clip and lower all day and then toprope all because we cant lead anything else. Bolt anchors in the gunks to keep NCY people safe and toproping were the worst thing to happen to climbing there -see what happens? I go to the Dax because it's different and people dont do that shit!!! just spent 3 days at Chapal Pond the way climbing is suppsed to be!!!! Got to go to work now -POKEO next weekend Don?

City Dweller · · New York, NY · Joined Oct 2015 · Points: 10
NESteve wrote: what roots you put up ground up!?! NONE!!! you cant even REPEAT goundup rots thats why you have to go find a scrappyass crap chosspile and cut away the trees around the base use a crow bar to pry off anything that could be dangerous make sure the bolts are always close and then put in loweroff bolts (to save the trees on top and then tell evrybody LOOK I DID A NEW ROUTE. I think this is funny! Climbing is about having adventure and not going to some outdoor climbing gym where everythin is made safe for every body by someone else and a 5.2 leader can fall off the 5.10s all day for fun and who cares its like plastic pulling all day. NOt for me!!! you put up all these routs so anybody can do them and now NOBODY can have a real adventure there -fall, fall, fall, clip, clip and lower all day and then toprope all because we cant lead anything else. Bolt anchors in the gunks to keep NCY people safe and toproping were the worst thing to happen to climbing there -see what happens? I go to the Dax because it's different and people dont do that shit!!! just spent 3 days at Chapal Pond the way climbing is suppsed to be!!!! Got to go to work now -POKEO next weekend Don?
O.M.G.

I would just drop the mic after this one.
Doug Meneke · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2013 · Points: 10

I bet my dad can beat up your dad.

Kevin Heckeler · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 1,616
Doug Meneke wrote:I bet my grandpa can beat up your grandpa.
Fixed.
Morgan Patterson · · NH · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 8,945
NESteve wrote:...
Lotta talk for 5.8 climber...
Don Redmond · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2014 · Points: 5

Even bigger talk from NE, his a profile shows sport climb at 5.9. Is this fall, fall, fall, clip, clip and lower all day you are talking about. I will pay for your gas if you climb the trad route of my choose, at SBN. PS Tillman has bolted anchors hypocrite.

NESteve · · Westport, NY · Joined Aug 2015 · Points: 0

I've climbed sport a few times -FUCKING BORING!! I can get on any sport rout and fall all day whats the big deal? Tilman anchors went in GROUND UP DIPSHIT thats the difference! okay Don, give a root you did ground up onsight at starebrook and I'll get on it I don't need your gas money but I'll buy the beers if you can solo with me all day this winter!!!Bet I can name a bunch of routs you cant do either who cares? Its not the grade its HOW its done I'd rather skip the F.A. then have my name on some overdrilled create-a-crag nothing shitpile cliff. Im not the only one who thiks this way just the only one telling you!

I didn't take youre biners so who cares? isnt that what started this?

Don Redmond · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2014 · Points: 5

NE the route so desperately need to know the names of is Sully's Success.

NESteve · · Westport, NY · Joined Aug 2015 · Points: 0

I didnt even ask the name Don but you had to say LOOK AT ME AND MY NEW ROUT what is is? You did it ground up and onsight? no I doubt it!!

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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