Interesting encounter at Canal Zone on Friday

Parker Wrozek wrote:They made it sound like there was basically no plans because of the cost.

If we read between the lines- the plan is to blast thousands of tons of climbable rock but cost estimates are too high for this year's pork barrel. Not good at all!

Sorry for the thread drift, but my wife encountered this lady on the trail to CZ last week.

Just another doomed new climber according to Healyj.

Mike Morin wrote: Sounds like you just volunteered. ;)

Ha! I'm very happy to be involved with any efforts and can contribute my uber-organizational skills, but I certainly don't carry the street cred required to be successful with something like this. I think someone like Dave (Monty) or Kevin Capps (Kevin - are you out there?) would be ideal... :)

Parker Wrozek wrote:My real question is if anyone knows anything about the "Home Depot" hardware and where in the canyon it might be?

Yeah, we really need to know this, I mean, the Hilti bolts that you buy from home depot are so much more dangerous than the ones that you buy directly from Hilti.

ErikaNW wrote: Ha! I'm very happy to be involved with any efforts and can contribute my uber-organizational skills, but I certainly don't carry the street cred required to be successful with something like this. I think someone like Dave (Monty) or Kevin Capps (Kevin - are you out there?) would be ideal... :)

Street cred? You don't have to be a crusher or a route developer to be a climber advocate. The best candidate for such a job are level headed, intelligent, and passionate. In my opinion you'd be a great asset to the local community. Land managers don't care about your climbing resume or who you roll with and neither should the climbing community at large. All that matters is that you get out on a regular basis to the areas you're engaged in trying to protect and active in the local community. Don't short change yourself.

Hey Erika, let's talk. I met you at the Reel Rock event in Boulder at the Access Fund table, where we both talked about stewardship and our desire to see something in the Golden/Denver area, whether that's an informal subgroup of the BCC or another LCO. And then I promptly lost your card. I've been in contact with a few folks from Jeffco and with Josh Pollack, who has also considered some sort of liaison with Jeffco. Anyway, I'll send you a PM. Excited this is on others' radars, too!

I'm happy to help. I climb a lot in CCC and have some route development and fixed hardware replacement experience (elsewhere). It's best we keep a dog in the fight.

My .02. One of you ambitious folks should apply to be on the BCC board. No need to reinvent the wheel, and the BCC already has a working relationship with JCOS. A representative of Golden climbers, meeting under the BCC flag is far more powerful than multiple individuals trying to accomplish similar goals. Also, I agree with Monty, forming a new group will just muddy things up.

Aargh.... and this is how I always end up being overcommitted! ;)

Thanks Mike, for the vote of confidence. I might be wrong, but it does seem that crushers and route developers get more buy-in from the general climbing community. However, I send 5.8 routinely, so I'm a little offended you don't consider me to be a crusher - ha ha! Monty and Kevin, both crushers, both prolific route developers, and ALSO have passion for the canyon and are both very intelligent, get it done kind of people, which was my primary reason for thinking of them. They both have already contributed a lot though, so maybe are tapped out?

I've been actually wanting to contact you all year to talk about ideas, so this thread is timely. It sounds like Sadie is also working on this - we all need to get our heads, skills, ideas and energy together!

My vision would be to have a core group that includes the crushers, the route developers, the passionate weekend warriors like me, etc.... that could work with the BCC and liaise with Jeffco to preserve access, engage in stewardship, and be involved with future planning for resource utilization in the canyon.

It's fantastic and encouraging to find out that others have some interest in this as well.

EDIT to add: I agree that going through BCC is the way to go. They have been doing this for a long time and doing it well from what I can see.

Thanks for the consideration, Erika. I am happy to help out with maintaining the routes in the canyon. I consider CCC my home crag, and will do what I can to help.