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tim
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Sep 28, 2015
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Boulder, CO
· Joined Aug 2006
· Points: 507
How do you get an early start on routes when the bus starts at 7:00 am? Are there exceptions to the no private vehicle rule? I'm eating lunch by 7. Please tell me there's a work around! Any info greatly appreciated, especially since contact with park officials is nearly impossible. Thanks in advance. Tim
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Pete Cutler
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Sep 28, 2015
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Des Moines, IA
· Joined Apr 2012
· Points: 5
No way around that I know of other than walking, biking, or having someone drop you off. I asked around last time I was there and couldn't come up with anything.
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George Bell
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Sep 28, 2015
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Boulder, CO
· Joined Jan 2001
· Points: 5,050
Having someone drop you off works. The hard part is convincing them to get up at 3 AM!
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Rob WardenSpaceLizard
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Sep 28, 2015
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las Vegans, the cosmic void
· Joined Dec 2011
· Points: 130
What you want is a white permit. go to the Wilderness Desk tell them you need a white permit because you are starting or finishing before or after the shuttle.
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tim
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Sep 28, 2015
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Boulder, CO
· Joined Aug 2006
· Points: 507
White permit huh? That allows you to park your own vehicle in areas along the road? Awesome! The shuttle hours don't seem reasonable for long routes w/out planning to bivy. Are there a limited # of white permits issued, and is there a fee? Thanks again.
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Rob WardenSpaceLizard
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Sep 28, 2015
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las Vegans, the cosmic void
· Joined Dec 2011
· Points: 130
No Fee is required however, the ranger has to feel that your request is valid. you can park in the vicinity of your route. I don't think there is a cap on permits.
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Wally
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Sep 28, 2015
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Denver
· Joined Apr 2006
· Points: 0
Yep, agree with Rob, permit was free and pretty easy to get.
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Darin Berdinka
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Sep 28, 2015
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined May 2009
· Points: 267
Zion has been incredibly accommodating to me as a climber. And the shuttle bus system leaves the canyon quieter and cleaner than it would be congested with cars. So yes, as already shared, you can get a permit if you need an early start. Just make sure there's a mutual understanding as to where you're parking. They definitely want you parking EXACTLY where there permit states. They can get a little testy about that.
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madskates
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Sep 28, 2015
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Oakley, UT
· Joined Aug 2013
· Points: 140
I know this isn't much better than 7 but as of a week ago the buses were running by 6am. However if you need an earlier start like rob said get a white permit.
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Marc801 C
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Sep 28, 2015
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Sandy, Utah
· Joined Feb 2014
· Points: 65
Rob T wrote:Change in time is as of this week. It only makes for an inconvenient week or so, as sunrise isn't much later than 7 at this point and the average Zion approach is all of 5 min. Today: first light - 6:58a sunrise - 7:24a [according to Weather Underground]
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Merlin
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Sep 28, 2015
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Grand Junction
· Joined Mar 2006
· Points: 10
Why don't you just man the fuck up and climb harder?
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Chris Horton
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Sep 28, 2015
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St. George, UT
· Joined Jul 2010
· Points: 327
Rob Warden, Space Lizard wrote:What you want is a white permit. go to the Wilderness Desk tell them you need a white permit because you are starting or finishing before or after the shuttle. Another example of white privilege...
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Merlin
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Sep 28, 2015
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Grand Junction
· Joined Mar 2006
· Points: 10
Chris Horton wrote: Another example of white privilege... Are you trying to one up me?
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tim
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Sep 28, 2015
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Boulder, CO
· Joined Aug 2006
· Points: 507
As a white man, I assumed I wouldn't need a permit. Figured I could roll in like I own the place.
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mediocre
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Sep 28, 2015
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Jul 2013
· Points: 0
tim wrote:As a white man, I assumed I wouldn't need a permit. Figured I could roll in like I own the place. Usually this would work, but you're in Zion, white people are a dime a dozen.
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Rob WardenSpaceLizard
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Sep 29, 2015
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las Vegans, the cosmic void
· Joined Dec 2011
· Points: 130
Just here for the comments.... getting some popcorn
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FrankPS
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Sep 29, 2015
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Atascadero, CA
· Joined Nov 2009
· Points: 276
mediocre wrote: Usually this would work, but you're in Zion, white people are a dime a dozen. White Lives Matter
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Wally
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Sep 29, 2015
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Denver
· Joined Apr 2006
· Points: 0
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