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BD C4 4 vs. DMM Dragon cam 6

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simplyput . · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2013 · Points: 60

I need a bigger cam.
I can get a #6 dragon cam on pro deal for ~60$, but not anything by BD. My question is, do I lose a lot of range going with the #6 dragon cam instead of a #4 BD C4?
I've looked at the charts till my eyes are blurry, but I'm curious if anyone has practical experience to relate as I have never used dragon cams.
Thanks for the snarky, sophomoric, self-advancing responses in advance.

Monday Friday · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2015 · Points: 0

I have both n they feel about the same. I like dragons more for their longer slings.

bearbreeder · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2009 · Points: 3,065

Theyre both more or less the same

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pierref · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2015 · Points: 0

From my experience, i had to double my cam rack for my climbing trip in cali this summer. In europ DMM are 20% less expensive than C4. I have decided to test DMM and bought a green DMM to compare with the green BD. The range is the same one, the sling is larger but i feel the feeling different, not better or worse, simply different. You can do bomber placements with both, poor placements too
But i prefer to have the same feeling with all my cam's, it's reduce the dropping risk and in any case the DMM sling is shorter than a shoulder sling

And finally, i have bought a second C4 rack (except the green for sure). But whatever the brand, the most important is the climber know how!

Andrew Williams · · Concord, NH · Joined Mar 2014 · Points: 625

The dragons and c4's have the same range, different camming angles. I love my dragons they feel like they are put together much nicer than c4's, smoother action, stronger springs, they are bomber cams. Buy them and you won't be disappointed.

bearbreeder · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2009 · Points: 3,065
Andrewww wrote:The dragons and c4's have the same range, different camming angles. I love my dragons they feel like they are put together much nicer than c4's, smoother action, stronger springs, they are bomber cams. Buy them and you won't be disappointed.
the camming angle while theoretically nice probably doesnt matter as much in the real world ...

heres a big grey dragon pulling under hand strength in limestone

youtube.com/watch?v=MW1teH6…

i own and use both ... for all purposes they are indentical

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Jay Anderson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2009 · Points: 15

The Dmm is a time bomb, as its slung with dyneema. Do you really want to re sling it every two years?

Andrew Williams · · Concord, NH · Joined Mar 2014 · Points: 625

Dmm says their slings are good for 10 years. And yea bear, I agree, camming Angle doesn't matter too much between the two haha.

bearbreeder · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2009 · Points: 3,065

theres no way on gods green earth the 8mm dragon slings are good for 10 years if you actually use em decently ... perhaps if they are siting in a box

the bad news is that those skinny slings wear out fast and lose alot of strength in the first 2-3 years of even moderate use

the additional bad news is that no where in north america that ive found reslings em ... DMM wants you to ship em back to the UK

the good news is that you can simply replace em with techcord for a few bucks ...



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Andrew Williams · · Concord, NH · Joined Mar 2014 · Points: 625

I agree their going to wear out, but I think they meant that as long as they aren't physically destroyed they aren't degrading just over time until 10 years. That's what I took from it. But DMM legally can't resling them after 10 years anyway, so I suppose at 9 years past production would be a good time to send them off overseas hahaha

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