Please remove the climber register from High Wire (Clear Creek Canyon)

I objected to this when it went in but was told it was put in place to track usage and it was REALLY IMPORTANT. I actually stopped and checked the register this week and found loads of sign in sheets dating back to January 2014! Still in the box...

It's obvious this register is doing nothing for one of the most widely used crags in CCC. There have been exactly ZERO improvements to this crag. Luckily the scramble up to the south routes is easy and climbers have taken excellent care of the area. As would be expected.

Mike Morin and others at JeffCo or whoever was responsible - remove this fucking eyesore...

Mike Morin now works with the Access Fund, not Jeffco. I don't think the registers have value either.

Here is the original post from 2013:

mountainproject.com/v/clear…

Seriously - leave no trace - clearly nothing happened with this (except to maybe pad Mike's resume - sorry Mike)

Circle back and remove these please...oh and listen next time someone from the climbing community objects to stupid ideas...

Matt Pierce wrote:Here is the original post from 2013: mountainproject.com/v/clear… Seriously - leave no trace - clearly nothing happened with this (except to maybe pad Mike's resume - sorry Mike) Circle back and remove these please...oh and listen next time someone from the climbing community objects to stupid ideas...

So you don't mind the tunnel through the hillside, or the screaming jake brakes of passing trucks, or the 300 bolts in the crag or the beaten down social trails, but a register is so outrageous that you feel the need to insult the land management agency and the former climbing ranger? A person who has probably done more for climbing access in CCC than you ever have or ever will?

Why don't you try growing up?

Mark E Dixon wrote: So you don't mind the tunnel through the hillside, or the screaming jake brakes of passing trucks, or the 300 bolts in the crag

I do - but exactly what would you like me to do about the casino buses clogging the canyon? I do mind them but there is clearly nothing to be done there...

Mark E Dixon wrote:or the beaten down social trails

social trails? explain that one. As we all know there is very little "trail" between the High Wire crag and the creek...

Mark E Dixon wrote:but a register is so outrageous that you feel the need to insult the land management agency and the former climbing ranger? A person who has probably done more for climbing access in CCC than you ever have or ever will? Why don't you try growing up?

Leave no trace Mark - this was clearly a fucking stupid idea and led to absolutely no improvements at High Wire - Oh and the "gym signage" at Canal Zone...if you call those improvements then someone needs to grow up here but it aint me dude...

Matt Pierce wrote: I do - but exactly what would you like me to do about the casino buses clogging the canyon? I do mind them but there is clearly nothing to be done there... social trails? explain that one. As we all know there is very little "trail" between the High Wire crag and the creek... Leave no trace Mark - this was clearly a fucking stupid idea and led to absolutely no improvements at High Wire - Oh and the "gym signage" at Canal Zone...if you call those improvements then someone needs to grow up here but it aint me dude...

You know, I don't care if we lose access to High Wire and the Canal Zone. Not crags that interest me much.

If you think entitled, expletive laced whining on a climbing forum is going to get you the results you seek, go for it.

I hear they used a drone to put the register up there.

Mike Morin has spent more time helping build and
maintain trails to climbing areas (as have many of his
old co-workers at Jeffco Open Space). . .

How much time have YOU put into these efforts?????

Steve Williams wrote:Mike Morin has spent more time helping build and maintain trails to climbing areas (as have many of his old co-workers at Jeffco Open Space). . .

+1

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
- ancient proverb

"Painting a target on the wrong guy might draw fire on you."
- modern common sense

At this point it might be best to remove the assigned name and comments about a resume. That person put climbing on the government's map in place of closures. And doesn't work there any more besides.

I didn't know Mike didn't work there anymore (obviously). And honestly, how well was the implemented "government" program if it barely got off the ground and appears to have been abandoned right after it started...

No reason for stupid personal attacks - my time is limited so I contribute CASH to many orgs that support climbers and hikers including the access fund, the Colorado Trail Foundation, the CFI and others. I am also a segment adopter for the Colorado Trail Foundation and maintain a segment of the trail in the LaGarita Wilderness. I even donated awhile back to the fundraiser for that guy who does bolt replacement around the front range. I give cash to other shit to like Chris Kalous's Enormocast Podcast for climbers. I have volunteered for other stuff to like Yoni Geffen's non-profit that takes kids climbing. We took kids climbing in Eldo for a day. Andy Hansen was with me the day we did this if you need to know. And on and on...I do my part

I am just asking that the registers be removed.

Matt Pierce wrote: I am just asking that the registers be removed.

That's not what I saw here:

Matt Pierce wrote: Seriously - leave no trace - clearly nothing happened with this (except to maybe pad Mike's resume - sorry Mike)

Can you see a difference there?

Matt Pierce wrote: ...oh and listen next time someone from the climbing community objects to stupid ideas...

Sustaining a boner for someone for 27 months is probably an indication of a medical condition. You should see your physician for advice. I see that Doctor Mark Dixon has offered you some already. Sounds good.

Oh, and I think Mike did listen to the community. Most thanked him for his efforts. Note the comments from the OTHER land manager (McHugh) that commented.

Glad to hear you are tossing a few bucks into the stewardship of crags. Get even more involved, and put in your time and effort into trying to keep places open and accessible. Be civil and get involved with land managers. At that point you'll probably understand a lot more about what is going on and why.

Could this thing come down? Probably so. Did you pursue the most effective avenue to make that happen? No. Did you understand the original purpose or know what WAS accomplished by this? Clearly not.

I also thought this was a great idea initially, and am a bit disappointed to learn that it hasn't been followed through (at least as far as you can see). But seriously, no need to go all taco all over the goddamn place.

Have you tried contacting JeffCo directly? Perhaps the project involves collecting a year's worth of data, then prioritizing efforts, submitting project plans/budgets, grant proposals, etc. based on usage? Maybe after extensive research, it was deemed that High Wire is a lost cause because it is a truly terrible crag after all.

Matt Pierce wrote:... No reason for stupid personal attacks...

i agree, you have no reason for your stupid personal attacks...

I think the registers are quite valuable. The one at wall of the 90's has lost keys, tampons, abducted people notes and lots of other great stuff. And, if you want to permanently register you can scratch your name in the case.

Mark, you may want to rethink your selfish comment about not caring if they close this crag or Canal Zone since you don't climb there. Are you too sexy for these super popular crags. They are some of the highest use crags in the canyon. Denied access to any crag could set a precedence and someday affect your favorite crag.

Greg D wrote: Mark, you may want to rethink your selfish comment about not caring if they close this crag or Canal Zone since you don't climb there. Are you too sexy for these super popular crags. They are some of the highest use crags in the canyon. Denied access to any crag could set a precedence and someday affect your favorite crag.

You are absolutely right, and my wife already straightened me out on this issue.

In fact, I think almost all the routes at CZ and many of the routes at Highwire are really good. I just don't adapt to a circus atmosphere as well as I used to do.

Mark E Dixon wrote: You are absolutely right, and my wife already straightened me out on this issue. In fact, I think almost all the routes at CZ and many of the routes at Highwire are really good. I just don't adapt to a circus atmosphere as well as I used to do.

I climb there all the time with no crowds on weekends. Just have to know when to go...

Sustaining a boner for someone for 27 months is probably an indication of a medical condition. You should see your physician for advice. I see that Doctor Mark Dixon has offered you some already.

Haha awesome.

I can't even make a strong opinion against Matt because I usually don't get along too well with conspiracy theorists. Don't worry man, the government isn't out to get you through a climbing log. Don't believe me? Don't sign it. Nobody will hunt you down.... Or will they...?

Guess I'm still learning how to quote. My first part was a quote from Tony B. It was awesome.

Jason Cannan wrote: Guess I'm still learning how to quote.

I thikn I recall it has something to do with the text and spacing. It has done that to me before. You have to leave the margins alone or sometimes it won't recognize it as a quote.

Greg D wrote:I think the registers are quite valuable. The one at wall of the 90's has lost keys, tampons, abducted people notes and lots of other great stuff. And, if you want to permanently register you can scratch your name in the case.

I'm planning to take along a big trash bag next time
I go to the 90s, so if you want your abducted people notes or whatever, better grab them quick.