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Vandalism at Monkey Traverse

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Tim Watts · · Boulder, CO · Joined Oct 2013 · Points: 30
Monkey Traverse chipping.

What is wrong with people these days!?

"I wanted to take this Quartz out of the rock because it has been here billions of years and has great energy, so I am going to take it home"
Parker Wrozek · · Denver, CO · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 86

Here is a good one at Satellites. Don't want to fall in the hole on OG? Just build it up with a bunch of logs...

The hole is part of the fun of the route...

Also maybe I just never noticed it but what was up with the giant "CU" on the 3rd? flatiron?

Nicholas Cai · · Boulder, CO · Joined Sep 2014 · Points: 140

Speaking of vandalism at Flagstaff...
Last week me and my buddy were at the First Overhang/Pinnacle Colida/Tombstone Spire and some kids tagged the rocks with spray paint. They added a dumb looking frowny face, an arrow with the word "UP" next to it, and if i recall I think there was also a satanic star.

Tim Stich · · Colorado Springs, Colorado · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 1,520

Could it have been the infamous shitters?

Scott McMahon · · Boulder, CO · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 1,425
Ti Watts wrote: What is wrong with people these days!? "I wanted to take this Quartz out of the rock because it has been here billions of years and has great energy, so I am going to take it home"
That's not pratt's mantle is it? Hope not!!!
David B · · Denver, CO · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 205
Parker Wrozek wrote:Here is a good one at Satellites. Don't want to fall in the hole on OG? Just build it up with a bunch of logs... Also maybe I just never noticed it but what was up with the giant "CU" on the 3rd? flatiron?
covering up a hole with logs is pretty commonplace for boulder problems. bouldering is about the difficulty, not the danger, other than highballs
Michael Brady · · Wenatchee, WA · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 1,316
David Barbour wrote: bouldering is about the difficulty, not the danger, other than highballs
So it is about the danger a lot of the time except for the low balls.
Vaughn · · Colorado · Joined Mar 2011 · Points: 55

I noticed a couple weeks ago that the large boulder sitting near the start of the monkey had been lifted/tipped up. The only explanation I can think of is hormone/alcohol fueled college kids with nothing better to do than tip rocks over. Annoying because that was a nice sitting rock, but not as bad as this.

David B · · Denver, CO · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 205
Mike Brady wrote: So it is about the danger a lot of the time except for the low balls.
the difference is the danger involved with highballs isn't avoidable

even on highballs the landings are usually groomed for safety
Parker Wrozek · · Denver, CO · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 86
David Barbour wrote: covering up a hole with logs is pretty commonplace for boulder problems. bouldering is about the difficulty, not the danger, other than highballs
All you need is a pad and a spotter... Also there is a lower start that is pretty much impossible to do with all the logs.

It really isn't dangerous at all without the logs.
Michael Brady · · Wenatchee, WA · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 1,316
David Barbour wrote: even on highballs the landings are usually groomed for safety
Not sure where you are getting this idea
David B · · Denver, CO · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 205
Mike Brady wrote: Not sure where you are getting this idea
personal experience and knowing people who develop boulder fields. why wouldn't you want a safe landing? if there was a 1 ft diameter boulder at the base of a v3 highball, would you leave it in place or roll it to the side? likewise, if you can cover a hole with some sticks, why wouldn't you?
Michael Brady · · Wenatchee, WA · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 1,316
David Barbour wrote: personal experience and knowing people who develop boulder fields. why wouldn't you want a safe landing?
That is where I am speaking from as well.

That is like saying why wouldn't you want sculpted route or why wouldn't we want to bolt that crack.

The reason I don't want to groom landings on highballs is because I don't want to make climbing any more contrived than it already is and if I am not ready to face the consequences or meet the difficulties, psychologically or physically, of a given line then I am alright letting that go. For the same reasons headpointing boulder problems is weak IMO.

But wait, typical MP thread drift is happening. You CO peoples are having a bad month in terms of vandalism. Lame and unfortunate. Sorry
David B · · Denver, CO · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 205
Mike Brady wrote: That is where I am speaking from as well. That is like saying why wouldn't you want sculpted route or why wouldn't we want to bolt that crack. The reason I don't want to groom landings on highballs is because I don't want to make climbing any more contrived than it already is and if I am not ready to face the consequences or meet the difficulties, psychologically or physically, of a given line then I am alright letting that go. For the same reasons headpointing boulder problems is weak IMO. But wait, typical MP thread drift is happening. You CO peoples are having a bad month in terms of vandalism. Lame and unfortunate. Sorry
You're definitely welcome to that opinion, but from the beginning, bouldering has been about gymnastics, not defying injury or death. And I don't know any developer who would leave a problem in an un-safe condition for future climbers, if avoidable. I don't see it as any different than removing loose blocks.

John Long himself had no problem with the boulder being moved from underneath White Rastafarian.

Or from the father of NA bouldering:

"What a strange world bouldering has become. To preserve the natural environment of the landing zone one should leave deadly boulders in place, but it's perfectly acceptable to stack pads a foot deep. A consistent position would be to leave the boulder where it is and not use pads. Too old school for modern taste I suspect."

-John Gill
Michael Brady · · Wenatchee, WA · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 1,316
David Barbour wrote: You're definitely welcome to that opinion, but from the beginning, bouldering has been about gymnastics, not defying injury or death. And I don't know any developer who would leave a problem in an un-safe condition for future climbers, if avoidable. I don't see it as any different than removing loose blocks. John Long himself had no problem with the boulder being moved from underneath White Rastafarian. Or from the father of NA bouldering: "What a strange world bouldering has become. To preserve the natural environment of the landing zone one should leave deadly boulders in place, but it's perfectly acceptable to stack pads a foot deep. A consistent position would be to leave the boulder where it is and not use pads. Too old school for modern taste I suspect." -John Gill
I think you are misinterpreting Gill.

But yeah your right, this climbing thing is too dangerous lets make it safe.
Ray Lovestead · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2008 · Points: 108

You guys are a bunch of wimps. Whenever I find a good bouldering problem, I like to dig a deep hole directly beneath it, put a bunch of sharp punji sticks in it (face up, silly) and take a piss and poop all over them. Ready to go!

David B · · Denver, CO · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 205
Ray Lovestead wrote:You guys are a bunch of wimps. Whenever I find a good bouldering problem, I like to dig a deep hole directly beneath it, put a bunch of sharp punji sticks in it (face up, silly) and take a piss and poop all over them. Ready to go!
Somebody moved the poopoo spikes out from underneath Poopmaster V12 today. Wow. Way to dumb down the sport.
thecmacattack · · Denver, Colorado · Joined Aug 2013 · Points: 30

i remember a few years back at North Table there were a couple kids chipping away at the rock looking for some mineral or another, and supposedly they said it was legal. One of the only legal places to mine that particular mineral... anyone else know anything about that?

Zach M · · Summersville, WV · Joined Jun 2011 · Points: 0
thecmacattack wrote:i remember a few years back at North Table there were a couple kids chipping away at the rock looking for some mineral or another, and supposedly they said it was legal. One of the only legal places to mine that particular mineral... anyone else know anything about that?
My understanding is that North Table was purchased by (and donated to) the Access Fund, and then later donated to Jeffco under the agreement that if Jeffco ever inhibited climbing at Table for any reason other than natural disaster or temporary wildlife closures, the Access Fund would regain ownership. I'd probably consider destroying the cliff for minerals to violate that agreement.

Mining and gem hunting is not listed as an acceptable activity at jeffco.us/open-space/parks/… . I suspect that the people you met were either misinformed, or trying to get you to stop hassling them without having you call the police.
thecmacattack · · Denver, Colorado · Joined Aug 2013 · Points: 30

Those bastards...Now i know. Thanks for the input man

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

Colorado
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