Overnight pack you're willing to wear while leading?
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Looking for suggestions on size/choice of pack(s) for an upcoming trip. If you're doing a summer alpine overnight/climb, what is your choice of pack/packs that is big enough to carry everything for at least one, possibly two nights in a remote location, but small enough to lead with (or do you go with 2?). |
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I had to read your subject line post twice to understand what you were asking. Maybe change it to "overnight pack that I can climb lead with" |
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I like my patagonia ascencionist 35, its really lite, expandable, and is easy to lead with. I think it depends on how much stuff you want to bring but I can get 2/3 nights with it. I think its on sale right now too, for a pretty good price. |
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Cilogear |
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Thanks, still working on my first coffee - do you find your 30 big enough for an overnight? I bought a very lightweight tent that I can lash to the outside, pad, down sleeping bag, first aid kit, blah blah blah the space for a rack and food and clothes starts to dwindle quickly. |
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DEF wrote: pad, down sleeping bag, first aid kit, blah blah blah the space for a rack and food and clothes starts to dwindle quickly.Remember, this is an overnight, and not an expedition. Comfort is not the same as necessity. Try to break things up between you and a partner, if going with one. You don't need a tent, sleeping bag, pad, but they are nice. You have to weigh your needs and essentials, or get a bigger pack. Edit to add: I can fit a small rack, two/three meals with stove and small pot, first aid/emergency blanket, tarp, extra socks, knife, map/compass, pullover jacket, as well as, a few other paraphernalia. Depending on the weather and environment will depend on what else may be packed. |
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I've got a Osprey Variant 35, very happy with it, light, plenty of helmet clearance too, I also found a replacement webbing belt if I want to remove the padded one. |
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DEF wrote: My original plan was to hike up with my Osprey Atmos 65 and bring along my BD Speed 22 to summit with,This would work well if you are wanting to bring along more comfort gear. |
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DEF wrote:Thanks, still working on my first coffee - do you find your 30 big enough for an overnight? I bought a very lightweight tent that I can lash to the outside, pad, down sleeping bag, first aid kit, blah blah blah the space for a rack and food and clothes starts to dwindle quickly.Why are you leading with all that crap anyway? That's what the second is for. Make the second carry the big pack, and the leader carry a small one. Switch at the anchor if swapping belays. Unless you're just scrambling on 5.easy, then I've led with a 50L pack before. But it's very uncomfortable, and the padded beefy hip belt, while great for carrying loads, got in the way of my harness and gear loops. It may be better to use a large pack for packing stuff in, and a small pack for climbing. When I was searching for a pack that I can lead with, I wanted something around 30L that can be compressed down, with minimalistic hip belt so it doesn't get in the way of my gear loops. Like Big Feet, I found the the Mountain Hardwear Scrambler 30 to be perfect. The two gear loops on the pack are quite useful too to keep things organized. I got the previous year model for a pretty good deal, the current year model is even waterproof. |
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aikibujin wrote: Why are you leading with all that crap anyway?I just meant that I have to get it up to the midway camp. Debating if I would have room in a 35l for everything to have at the campsite for 2 days, on the actual climb would just have water, snacks, an emergency layer/jacket and the other 'what if we get stuck up here all night' essentials. The reason the 22l may not work is the bulky camera gear I insist on bringing with me.. FWIW most of the climb (cmc route on moran) is fourth and low fifth class. I think what I'll do is just do a trial run of trying to fit everything in my 35l pack that I can tolerate climbing in and see if it fits, if so just go with that single pack. |
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DEF wrote: My original plan was to hike up with my Osprey Atmos 65 and bring along my BD Speed 22 to summit with,Go with this plan then. The camera may be the biggest problem. Down size to something that may be able to capture the experience instead of something you would make a documentary with. Maybe make this trip a trial run to see what can be discarded or brought for the next trip. The more of these you do the more experience you will gain in knowing what to pack. Your summit pack should only have what you need to make it back to "base camp", whatever that may be: Headlamp, water, some food, shell, beta map, first aid, lighter/matches, small camera/phone, emergency blanket would be about all I would be taking. Water would be the most weight, but this eases off throughout the climb/day. |
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I've used the CCW Chernobyl many times for the situation you've inquired about. |
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Horses for courses. There's no one pack that meets all needs. The systems I like: |
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Deuter Guide 35 or 45. The hipbelt padding is removable and you can tuck the brain into the pack while climbing. |
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I like the newer BD Speed packs as a good balance between cost, weight and durability. The lids are removable. I have used an older generation 30L for multi-day alpine. It's light, but tore (as did my Cilogear) with only soft stuff inside. |
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fossana wrote:I like the newer BD Speed packs as a good balance between cost, weight and durability. The lids are removable. I have used an older generation 30L for multi-day alpine. It's light, but tore (as did my Cilogear) with only soft stuff inside.Agreed with Foss' here. The speed series is GREAT on their own. I've fit a rope, rack and the kitchen sink in the Speed 22 for an all-day alpine climb....but never overnight gear. Because of the reinforced backing they are very comfy, but pack down poorly. Because of their poor packability, I either use just my Speed 22, or go for a smaller "leader's pack". |
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Why bring a pack on the climb? If you can't hang it comfortably off your harness you don't need it on a climb (at least I tell myself). Packs on route just get in the way. |
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Nick Drake wrote:Why bring a pack on the climb? If you can't hang it comfortably off your harness you don't need it on a climb (at least I tell myself). Packs on route just get in the way. If I do need a pack then I've been happy with the 18 liter REI flash, if it's quite hot and I have to bring a lot of water I prefer to use it (let's face it 3 liters off your harness would be ridiculous). On carry overs I've use a BD speed 40, the hip belt padding comes off and framesheet comes out for the actual climb. After the full north ridge of Stuart (30 pitches supposedly if you don't simul) I had red marks across the front/top of my shoulders though, it did hinder mobility a bit. If you do much squeezing you will tear the fabric on granite eventually, that's the cost of the light packs.I have a 32 L pack that I have used on multi 1500ft climb and it didn't cause any problems for me beside a small chimney. To be honest the pack weighs next to nothing compared to your rack of gear and you never know when you will have an unexpected night on the side of the cliff... so I like to bring water, food, and emergency gear. There is alot of reasons to take a pack up. Normally I prefer my second to carry the pack but I have lead entire walls with our extra rope in the pack for rappelling. Food, water, shoes to down hike if you can't rappel, emergency gear encase of an accident, etc. |
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Nick Drake wrote:On carry overs I've use a BD speed 40, the hip belt padding comes off and framesheet comes out for the actual climb. After the full north ridge of Stuart (30 pitches supposedly if you don't simul) I had red marks across the front/top of my shoulders though, it did hinder mobility a bit. If you do much squeezing you will tear the fabric on granite eventually, that's the cost of the light packs.Maybe this is obvious, but where do you stash the framesheet and pad on a carry over? Did you have a basecamp somewhere? |
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Ashort wrote: Maybe this is obvious, but where do you stash the framesheet and pad on a carry over? Did you have a basecamp somewhere?No just throw them in the pack, lots of room once the rack or rope come out. With the frame sheet out of it's sleeve and not securely held in by the two velcro straps at the top the pack is more flexible. I know a lot of people prefer to have no frame sheet, but I find the carry terrible no matter how I try to distribute the weight w/o a sheet (yeah I've seen the cilo videos). |
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DEF wrote:Looking for suggestions on size/choice of pack(s) for an upcoming trip. If you're doing a summer alpine overnight/climb, what is your choice of pack/packs that is big enough to carry everything for at least one, possibly two nights in a remote location, but small enough to lead with (or do you go with 2?). My original plan was to hike up with my Osprey Atmos 65 and bring along my BD Speed 22 to summit with, but I'm not convinced the 22 will fit everything I want, including a fairly hefty DSLR, and I'd rather not climb with a 65l pack on, it does compress down pretty well, but I could see it being a potential nuisance on a long day.I've used a Deuter 65L pack and a 16L pack. I put a small first aid kit, 48 oz of liquid, food a SOL Bivy, mid layer and my rain jacket. |