SCC Community Forum
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It's been hard enough to wade thru some of this BS, but taipan has really taken this to a different level. |
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RadDawg wrote:I thought this thread was focused on how much we, as climbers, should minimize our impact to the environment. That and some other worthwhile stuff like how we treat private property. I think it'd go a lot better if we skipped the personal attacks.Agreed! |
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You should try some better "reading comprehentions" red dawg. Wasn't me, it was my mentor. What, you think think JB didn't hangdog up in smith or use power drills? If it's factual, is it being a jerk? |
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RadDawg wrote:I think it'd go a lot better if we skipped the personal attacks.I'll repeat myself. Pshah. I feel like I'm historically enlightening some ppl who don't understand a whole lot about rock climbing, in context. And lets get some answers here. Are the routes CLOSED or OPEN? You shouldn't treat private property any way but private, am I right??? |
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I've kinda noticed a pattern that whenever someone posts something that really makes the SCC look like a bunch of monkeys trying to f%#k a football (not hard to do right now)...some anonymous poster with a very recent account will come in here with some absolutely unrelated bullshit as a distraction. |
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Meh, go on. I notice you seem pretty meek about defending garbage top down hangdog preplace preinspect frig frig frig trad tactics though now, so that's nice. Maybe you are learning some history. You should be....and I truly think doing some ground up routes is good for any climber who wants to contribute... |
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taipan jam wrote:. And lets get some answers here. Are the routes CLOSED or OPEN? You shouldn't treat private property any way but private, am I right???Yellow Bluff right side open as far as I know. Steele...all routes closed except the 18 listed in orange in the table I posted which are the only routes listed that the SCC actually owns. |
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"I gotta pay some respect to Bachar here after throwing him under the bus earlier." |
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Paul Barnes wrote:I've kinda noticed a pattern that whenever someone posts something that really makes the SCC look like a bunch of monkeys trying to f%#k a football (not hard to do right now)...some anonymous poster with a very recent account will come in here with some absolutely unrelated bullshit as a distraction. Coincidence?Nope, we're all part of the conspiracy. Seriously though, I don't think this thread has yet seen anyone quite like Taipan. This guy is special. |
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RadDawg wrote:"I gotta pay some respect to Bachar here after throwing him under the bus earlier." I can read t jam, maybe your mentor should've taught you better manners though.He took ethics and style very seriously. Get it yet? |
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Paul Barnes wrote: Yellow Bluff right side open as far as I know. Steele...all routes closed except the 18 listed in orange in the table I posted which are the only routes listed that the SCC actually owns.So then, should be taken off db, right? |
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wwes wrote: This guys is special.Add one more to the list of things Wes and I actually agree on. |
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taipan jam wrote: So then, should be taken off db, right?And one to the list that TJ and I agree on. Shit we're on a roll guys...we'll be smokin this over round a campfire soon if we keep this up. |
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Alright...enough fun...back to the serious stuff. I'm not above posting this stuff right past the rather obvious distractions...as many times as necessary. What of this? Paul Barnes wrote: Here's a comment from the property manager: "Here is the deal. Since I am the "Steele manager" I am going to recommend that rules be posted at Steele strictly limiting climbing to SCC land ONLY.. This will dumb down the climbing at Steele to a handful of routes..." Now...what in the hell would give anyone the idea that it was ever any other way? And then there's this from the SCC Spring meeting minutes: "A landowner for a private portion of Steele is closing their portion of the cliff and has asked SCC to post boundary of property where SCC land meets their land." How in the hell can you CLOSE something that was never OPEN in the first place?? (this is where the assertion of an entitlement mentality comes from) Was this highly touted Steele purchase nothing more than a trespass easement sanctioned by the SCC to begin with? Were these 18 routes purchased with the full intent of accessing all of the others?? See...when you do this, and advertise it on the internet by posting all of the private property routes on MP...it's not exactly your seasoned journeyman climbing teams that you're helping. They were probably gonna be in there anyway...unnoticed. What it really does is turn the masses loose with their drills and hammocks and dogs and ipod speakers and such and in the long run does more to hurt access, and the public perception of climbers, than it does to help it. Which is precisely what has happened at Steele.I'm pretty sure this purchase was not being touted as a "dumbed down handful" of routes when all the fundraising was taking place or when this was being made: vimeo.com/5495887 These appear to be past and present board members all over the private part of Chandler Mt...and they seem pretty shameless about it. So what gives? |
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And that's why the rest should remain closed. |
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That video even contains screen shots of the article that increased traffic and got the place shut down in the first place. |
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After consistently climbing down here for over forty years, this is what I think. Our history is nothing more than a joke that the present plays on the past. Need some examples? |
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shannon stegg wrote:After consistently climbing down here for over forty years, this is what I think. Our history is nothing more than a joke that the present plays on the past. Need some examples?I would be interested in a history lesson. |
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#EGO |
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#showsomedamnrespect |