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Jody Jacobs · · NE, GA · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 210

It's been hard enough to wade thru some of this BS, but taipan has really taken this to a different level.

Talking trash about John Bachar:

"I'm someone who witnessed one of my mentors giving Bachar a bunch of grief for hanging on a rope in Smith and using a Bosch to put up routes around Mammoth. Bachar was not psyched. If we were playing hoops, he would have taken his ball and left..."

Then Shannon:

"If Shannon got beef and he led the "trad" pitch on gear (cough cough-some fixed? lol)...."

I could list a few more but it's not worth my time. It's safe to say that Guideline #1 is being ignored.

I thought this thread was focused on how much we, as climbers, should minimize our impact to the environment. That and some other worthwhile stuff like how we treat private property. I think it'd go a lot better if we skipped the personal attacks.

Scott Phil · · NC · Joined May 2010 · Points: 258
RadDawg wrote:I thought this thread was focused on how much we, as climbers, should minimize our impact to the environment. That and some other worthwhile stuff like how we treat private property. I think it'd go a lot better if we skipped the personal attacks.
Agreed!
taipan jam · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2015 · Points: 30

You should try some better "reading comprehentions" red dawg. Wasn't me, it was my mentor. What, you think think JB didn't hangdog up in smith or use power drills? If it's factual, is it being a jerk?

You see, ppl took ethics a bit more seriously than today. Do I have to elaborate more? I'd think at this point, maybe folks would rather me stop elaborating, but this horse pucky about making up dangerous routes from the top down should be fully discussed. Just maybe not here and now. Or maybe this is exactly the place for it since it seems pretty encouraged as a tactic in some parts of the SE....

Besides, didn't you see the mea culpa about JB, Reddawg? Pffft, I've free soloed one JB's 5.11 "down climbs" in ORG, except going up.-(he would do the 5.12a next to it). I wouldn't do it again.

That 10k he offered to follow him around Joshua Tree for a day never was claimed was it?

Then again, I also witnessed JB tackle Ed Barry at the Snowbird '88 competition. Out of the blue, blindside, while Ed was sitting on the ground watching prelims. It was about Punchline or Phantom or some route in the Valley, you know what happened there, right, Red dawg?

There's also the story in Gullichs book about Bachar, which I won't relay here, but if you do your research, you'll find out what Wolfie experienced, not only with Bachar, but the Valley scene.

Pshah...try reading a bit better. Thanks!

taipan jam · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2015 · Points: 30
RadDawg wrote:I think it'd go a lot better if we skipped the personal attacks.
I'll repeat myself. Pshah. I feel like I'm historically enlightening some ppl who don't understand a whole lot about rock climbing, in context.

And lets get some answers here. Are the routes CLOSED or OPEN? You shouldn't treat private property any way but private, am I right???
Paul Barnes · · Gainesville, Georgia · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 30

I've kinda noticed a pattern that whenever someone posts something that really makes the SCC look like a bunch of monkeys trying to f%#k a football (not hard to do right now)...some anonymous poster with a very recent account will come in here with some absolutely unrelated bullshit as a distraction.

Coincidence?

Some IP address sleuthing might be very revealing. Just a guess.

taipan jam · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2015 · Points: 30

Meh, go on. I notice you seem pretty meek about defending garbage top down hangdog preplace preinspect frig frig frig trad tactics though now, so that's nice. Maybe you are learning some history. You should be....and I truly think doing some ground up routes is good for any climber who wants to contribute...

Paul Barnes · · Gainesville, Georgia · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 30
taipan jam wrote:. And lets get some answers here. Are the routes CLOSED or OPEN? You shouldn't treat private property any way but private, am I right???
Yellow Bluff right side open as far as I know.

Steele...all routes closed except the 18 listed in orange in the table I posted which are the only routes listed that the SCC actually owns.
Jody Jacobs · · NE, GA · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 210

"I gotta pay some respect to Bachar here after throwing him under the bus earlier."

I can read t jam, maybe your mentor should've taught you better manners though.

wwes · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2015 · Points: 0
Paul Barnes wrote:I've kinda noticed a pattern that whenever someone posts something that really makes the SCC look like a bunch of monkeys trying to f%#k a football (not hard to do right now)...some anonymous poster with a very recent account will come in here with some absolutely unrelated bullshit as a distraction. Coincidence?
Nope, we're all part of the conspiracy.

Seriously though, I don't think this thread has yet seen anyone quite like Taipan. This guy is special.
taipan jam · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2015 · Points: 30
RadDawg wrote:"I gotta pay some respect to Bachar here after throwing him under the bus earlier." I can read t jam, maybe your mentor should've taught you better manners though.
He took ethics and style very seriously. Get it yet?
taipan jam · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2015 · Points: 30
Paul Barnes wrote: Yellow Bluff right side open as far as I know. Steele...all routes closed except the 18 listed in orange in the table I posted which are the only routes listed that the SCC actually owns.
So then, should be taken off db, right?
Paul Barnes · · Gainesville, Georgia · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 30
wwes wrote: This guys is special.
Add one more to the list of things Wes and I actually agree on.
Paul Barnes · · Gainesville, Georgia · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 30
taipan jam wrote: So then, should be taken off db, right?
And one to the list that TJ and I agree on.

Shit we're on a roll guys...we'll be smokin this over round a campfire soon if we keep this up.
Paul Barnes · · Gainesville, Georgia · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 30

Alright...enough fun...back to the serious stuff. I'm not above posting this stuff right past the rather obvious distractions...as many times as necessary. What of this?

Paul Barnes wrote: Here's a comment from the property manager: "Here is the deal. Since I am the "Steele manager" I am going to recommend that rules be posted at Steele strictly limiting climbing to SCC land ONLY.. This will dumb down the climbing at Steele to a handful of routes..." Now...what in the hell would give anyone the idea that it was ever any other way? And then there's this from the SCC Spring meeting minutes: "A landowner for a private portion of Steele is closing their portion of the cliff and has asked SCC to post boundary of property where SCC land meets their land." How in the hell can you CLOSE something that was never OPEN in the first place?? (this is where the assertion of an entitlement mentality comes from) Was this highly touted Steele purchase nothing more than a trespass easement sanctioned by the SCC to begin with? Were these 18 routes purchased with the full intent of accessing all of the others?? See...when you do this, and advertise it on the internet by posting all of the private property routes on MP...it's not exactly your seasoned journeyman climbing teams that you're helping. They were probably gonna be in there anyway...unnoticed. What it really does is turn the masses loose with their drills and hammocks and dogs and ipod speakers and such and in the long run does more to hurt access, and the public perception of climbers, than it does to help it. Which is precisely what has happened at Steele.
I'm pretty sure this purchase was not being touted as a "dumbed down handful" of routes when all the fundraising was taking place or when this was being made:

vimeo.com/5495887

These appear to be past and present board members all over the private part of Chandler Mt...and they seem pretty shameless about it. So what gives?
BirminghamBen · · Birmingham, AL · Joined Jan 2007 · Points: 1,620

And that's why the rest should remain closed.
MP Admin refusing to take routes down.
SCC Board Members clearly promoting trespass.
The SCC maintaining a trail off of SCC land....
And all being defended by saxfiend and the SCC.
Accidents, more irritation of locals, and more restricted access seems almost unavoidable.
Seems that quelling a bunch of bad info would be the responsible thing to do.

Paul Barnes · · Gainesville, Georgia · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 30

That video even contains screen shots of the article that increased traffic and got the place shut down in the first place.

Advertise
Increase traffic
Piss off the neighbors
Get your ass run off

Sound familiar?

Those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it.

shannon stegg · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2013 · Points: 0

After consistently climbing down here for over forty years, this is what I think. Our history is nothing more than a joke that the present plays on the past. Need some examples?

AUMonkeyBoy · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2015 · Points: 15
shannon stegg wrote:After consistently climbing down here for over forty years, this is what I think. Our history is nothing more than a joke that the present plays on the past. Need some examples?
I would be interested in a history lesson.
Robert Fogle · · Juneau, AK · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 35

#EGO

Rhett Burroughs · · Salt Lake City, UT · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 230

#showsomedamnrespect
#ohnohedidnt
#mostprolificFAinthesouth
#kidstoday

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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