4th of July Weekend Crowds

MaxSuffering wrote:Kevin, Hurricane Crag last summer, I think you were with Ben. I had a great view of you going on aid to follow 5.9 from the My Generation belay. Any of this sound familiar? I only recognized you from your "helpful" posts and made sure to give you a WIDE berth lest I get the shit that pours out of your keyboard in person. I'll certainly do the same next time. Enjoy your status as the Adirondacks internet know-it-all while the rest of us who are actually out climbing laugh at you. And, yes, now I'm just trying to be a jerk.

Yeah that was this climb:

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Surgery less than 8 months prior (3 months since starting the road back at the gym), told 3-6 months to return to normal activities, years to settle into the new normal [I feel like I'm almost there]. That start, after other climbing that day, was just too much for a tired and weak shoulder. Aiding through was the smart thing, thankfully the rest of the climb backed off a bit (and was good).

All this demonstrates is what's happening in your mind doesn't match what you utter or type. Your admiration or compassion for those with challenges is selective, arbitrary, or just plain phony. I had you pegged from the very beginning of this thread - you truly do look down upon the climbing world from your (imaginary) throne. Now we all get to read your detailed admission.

If you don't want me to continue to point out these contradictions then stop posting them. Say what you mean, mean what you say. "Kevin, I saw you flail on a 5.9. I've cached that nugget in my memory for future use. Ever since then I've had a low opinion of you. I will continue to laugh at you in secret, until you confront me on some of my other BS on the internet, at which time I will childishly resort to using this as a (supposed) weapon against you. Muhahaha."

If you don't see how publicly ridiculing an ailing post-op climber is petty and judgmental ["jerk" is an understatement], then you are certainly welcome to keep your mouth shut if we shall meet again.

I still don't remember you, so your silence will neither be a concern nor a curiosity. At this point, it would be welcomed. Let's start in the here and now.

I don't post any of this because I think you will hear it or benefit from the words on the screen, but perhaps this will at least show others who you really are.

Kevin Heckeler wrote:It doesn't mean you'll definitely wait in line, but it happens. It happens even on non-holiday weekends. Max has selective amnesia or has just been lucking out. I'm sure they sit at the bottom of every classic ADK climb every weekend day doing their traffic survey.

From page one, the post that likely sent Max into his ego-driven manhunt. Poke the bear, get the claws.

You'll note the intentional ambiguity of my post. "It doesn't mean you'll definitely wait in line, but it happens". People have been replying to my comments in this thread like I posted the exact opposite. That's how/why I know this is personal. This bear's got claws AND a brain.

What I just saw was Max attempting to extend his hand and draw a truce but since you essentially slapped it away while name-calling, all fair bets are off.

If you can't even agree to disagree, you must suffer with an Argumentative Personality:

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"There are minimal good points about the Argumentative Personality".

Kevin Heckeler wrote: From page one, the post that likely sent Max into his ego-driven manhunt. Poke the bear, get the claws. You'll note the intentional ambiguity of my post. "It doesn't mean you'll definitely wait in line, but it happens". People have been replying to my comments in this thread like I posted the exact opposite. That's how/why I know this is personal. This bear's got claws AND a brain.

There are many more of us that have been telling over and over that there's plenty of quality routes to climb no matter the crowds in the Adirondacks. No matter how many times you change the subject whether it be whats quality or classic, how many easy routes are quality or how many easy four star routes are close to each other we have an answer. You choose to deny these areas exist instead of dropping the BS and moving on. Guys like Max are just frustrated by your " I'm right and you're wrong" posts.

I think you're writing down everyone's suggestions so you never stand in line again. You're just having fun at this point.

I would one up you on injuries and tell you the guy who put up Contos encouraged me to try that route but that takes away from the fact we're trying to drive into your head.. There's plenty of good times to be had. If you disagree just disagree.. Don't change the subject.

Nick Goldsmith wrote:went over to do FG summer before last. It was a conga line. got spanked on Great dihedral instead. that loose block on P1 freaked me out PTSD from new routing. Totally fried my brain when that thing shifted. My parter did not seem to mind it? he got shut down on P2 though so we bailed and ran up gamesmanship w/ our tails between our legs;)

Nick, I did Great Dihedral last year, P1 was a lot cleaner than I've ever seen it. Ended up french freeing the houdini and had a blast running up the second pitch after that, Amazing route.
Of course Bloody-Mary P1-2 linkup nearby is a blast too!
More moderates at Poke-O?
Phase III, Paralysis, Sunburst Arete, Green Onion.

Climbed Great D just a few weeks ago for the first time! Sooo good!! I had heard rumors of the terror of P1 and while climbing kept thinking "well this isn't so bad..."--until I got to the top of the roof-capped corner. Then I saw what I had been nonchalantly yarding on for the last 20 feet was actually a tower of detached blocks, albeit (relatively) secure. Exiting the Houdini Slot was some of the most interesting and obscure climbing I've ever done. Creativity, belief, and a small head helps (I'd almost wished for no helmet on my head until I had flashbacks to P1).

Also did the "5.9" Variation start to the Sting for the first time... Yeah, 5.9, maybe if you're 6'4" and can reach that bucket from the ground.

I haven't done it yet, but I've heard rave reviews about Space Walk.

Bill Kirby wrote:Don't change the subject.

The subject had been abandoned a while ago (and perhaps finally being addressed again). It's certainly convenient to change it now that Max is on the sharper end of the pointy stick. Long live the King!

Later afternoon is the best luck I've had w/ Thin Air as well. Saw the crowds a few weekends ago - maybe a dozen parties lined up in a row to climb it. I got on at the end of the day around 4pm and not a soul in site. Classic routes on Cathedral do well with the second wave mentality.

Look Kevin, I'm sorry. That was indeed a douchey thing to say. That's not the type of person I try to be and I slipped up.

I really don't look down on anyone in the climbing community for what they can or can't climb. I hold people in high or low esteem based on what sort of people they are, and your comments, negativity, argumentative nature and nit-picking on Mountain Project don't do you any favors. That is why I've been laughing at you. I'll stop. I don't think less of you for anything to do with climbing or especially for taking the right action at the time while on a route. Remember, nobody actually ever gets better at climbing, the best you can hope for is to be a gumby on harder and harder routes.

So we're clear, my comments about 5.10 being attainable for most people was meant to be encouraging, a "you can take climbing as far as you want" sort of thing. Kind of like "C'mon up to the Adirondacks, there's plenty of routes to do." THAT is the kind of person I try to be. It was never meant as a put-down, if you took it that way let me apologize. If you don't think you can get there for whatever reason, I'm sorry, that sucks. Still, I really hope you're having as much fun climbing as I am, because it's a lot. Like I've said twice now, you could be an inspiration for doing what you can despite two bum shoulders, I love nothing more than a success story, but your persona here doesn't help anything. Do you see where I'm coming from?

The people who matter to me know exactly what kind of person I am, and I'm thankful for it.

Let's bury the hatchet here Kevin. Clearly we're not just fucking around and poking fun on the internet anymore. Maybe you really are a nicer guy over a cup of coffee, maybe I'll see you around.

Happy climbing.

Reading this Heckeler stuff just makes me zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Hey Sarah Pax, did you get out climbing in the gunks after all? how were the crowds, relative to an average weekend?

Max, Luc and Climber girl. Did you guys not notice that microwave size block on P1 that moves about a half inch when you weight it just right? weight it one way and it seems solid, weight the other side and the whole thing moves a half inch. I have been climbing a lot at a really loose raw cliff and perhaps am a bit jumpy about loose rock but that freaked me out. my partner on the other hand stepped right on it just the right way and it looked solid as a rock. he then got stumped by the Houdini move and chose not to aid through it..

Kevin. this has been one of the more epic cyber meltdowns in climber blog history........

Nick Goldsmith wrote:Max, Luc and Climber girl. Did you guys not notice that microwave size block on P1 that moves about a half inch when you weight it just right? weight it one way and it seems solid, weight the other side and the whole thing moves a half inch. I have been climbing a lot at a really loose raw cliff and perhaps am a bit jumpy about loose rock but that freaked me out. my partner on the other hand stepped right on it just the right way and it looked solid as a rock. he then got stumped by the Houdini move and chose not to aid through it.. Kevin. this has been one of the more epic cyber meltdowns in climber blog history........

Yeah, I definitely did notice that block. It appeared to just be a teeter-totterer to me but did made me jump as well when it first shifted!

My beta for the Houdini is: Feet. Forget yer hands. Also, maybe don't be claustrophobic.

Nick, I don't remember that block in particular but like I said there's nothing good about climbing through that dike rock. Loose, scary, protection is never what you want it to be, it just plain sucks. I've nearly soiled my pants more than once climbing through that garbage.

The Houdini Slot is no joke. I'm 6'0" and it feels like I have to almost break my neck to get out of it and into the corner. If you get the chance this is definitely a pitch worth coming back for, just save some gas for the "5.9+" roof up high.

max, you must have weighted the thing just right in the direction it does not shift because it is the most obvious handhold and then foot hold of that part of the pitch. It shifted on me and freaked me out. I noticed when Alex climbed the pitch he stepped right on it and it did not move. I checked it out on the way down and it really depends how you weight it weather it shifts or not. I have created some truely massive rock fall new routeing so I have a pretty vivid visual in my head of what happens when big rocks decide to let go. My rockfall experiences combined with a vivid imagination had me pretty much curled up in the fetal possition wimpering and praying when that thing shifted. I was pretty darn quick to encourage retrete in that mental condition....

Nick Goldsmith wrote:Kevin. this has been one of the more epic cyber meltdowns in climber blog history........

Max seems better now though. Let's give him some space and see how he behaves from herein.

Kevin Heckeler wrote: Max seems better now though. Let's give him some space and see how he behaves from herein.

Now if only everyone could get along and share the Legos...

in a previous post i wrote:

"i can't help but think he's somebody who's either:

1) just way clueless...
-or-
2) just f'ing with everyone…

experience tells me the correct answer is 2…"

then i read this post:

Kevin Heckeler wrote: Max seems better now though. Let's give him some space and see how he behaves from herein.

i was just sooo wrong, i can see now the correct answer is definitely #1…

ed "who's able to admit when he's made a mistake..." e

ed esmond wrote:in a previous post i wrote: "i can't help but think he's somebody who's either: 1) just way clueless... -or- 2) just f'ing with everyone… experience tells me the correct answer is 2…" then i read this post: i was just sooo wrong, i can see now the correct answer is definitely #1… ed "who's able to admit when he's made a mistake..." e

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