Confronting litterers at Rumney

I once came upon a fresh steaming pile of shit accompanied by what looked like a quarter roll of toilet paper right on an approach trail once.
It was obviously from the older couple that we just saw hiking down a few minutes ago.
My partner and I raced back down to them and proceeded to insist that they go back up and clean up their mess. Embarrassed, they did!
I gave them a dog poop bag that I had with me to use. Otherwise I would have made them bare-hand it!

Not at Rumney but right after the Smuggler's Notch gates opened there was shit-stained TP EVERYWHERE. I mean everywhere. It was in both main areas. I even found some with an actual log right next to the damn parking lot. Disgusting.

M Sprague wrote:Definitely speak up, and thank you for doing so. Unfortunately, I think a great percentage of the toilet paper left around is from women doing the same thing. It is amazing to me, but a lot of people really are that ignorant. I was complaining about people doing that after running into it to an acquaintance at Rumney and she admitted to doing the same thing, with the same excuse that it was biodegradable. I was a little dumbfounded at how out of it she was, but glad at least she admitted it and seemed to get the picture after discussing it. You would kind of think somebody should have been able to learn from just seeing a few clumps themselves that leaving it out on the ground is disgusting and not a good idea. And yeah, it is pretty easy to tell when somebody is going off to take a pee even while averting your eyes to give them privacy and the OP had a perfect right to ask her to pick up her trash (in a diplomatic way) if he noticed it, so getting all macho 'protective' as Kirby suggested is ridiculous. She was being an ignorant slob and would probably keep doing it until somebody called her on it. If your significant other was so out of it, be glad somebody is helping her out.

Also, she peed behind a rock and then threw the paper in a place so it could be seen. Haha, protective. I thought he meant his wife or climbing partner would do the ass kicking.

Glenn Schuler wrote: Well, he does weigh 285 or something like that. My money's on Bill.

He could sit on me. I'm barely over half that.

Momoface wrote:Real wimmin don't need TP to pee.

This. Neither I nor many of my female partners need TP to pee in the woods. It is really not that difficult.

One time I came across not just TP, but used tampons. Just because some idiot thought they found a private spot to do their business doesn't mean others won't find it. Leave no trace.

Haha.. I'm enjoying those fat jokes

I thought I was pretty clear but let me square this up. OP typed he watched a girl pee, watched her drop paper then walked over and asked she pick up her litter. I got no problem with asking litter bugs to clean up. That makes sense. It's the peeping thats got me running my mouth.

Win lose.. Who knows but I did hurt someone's feelings once.

Bill Kirby wrote: Win lose.. Who knows but I did hurt someone's feelings once.

Thanks Bill, This bit of humor started my day off right

When you walk 15 ft away from a crowded crag to pee, you have no expectation of privacy and should not be surprised that everyone saw you do it.

Bill Kirby wrote: You gotta be a female. You would be typing this from a hospital bed if you're a man and told my wife or any female partner that.

Let me get this straight Bill, if I tell your wife to pick her damn pee stained litter up, then you're gonna punch me? Very good. I am hoping you are joking because otherwise when I witness your wife leaving pee trash then I am going to end up with a black eye for telling your wife not to be a lazy ass and you are going to end up in jail for battery because you still have the mentality of a macho sixth grader.

csproul wrote:When you walk 15 ft away from a crowded crag to pee, you have no expectation of privacy and should not be surprised that everyone saw you do it.

Exactly.

...and to the OP Caesar, I think you did the right thing by telling the lady to pick up her trash. In the past I have told cigarette droppers that either they pick it up or I will have to. Usually the act of me picking it makes them realize what a jackass they are being.

Bill, see my second to last post on the first page of the thread. She peed behind a large rock but threw the TP in plain sight. I didn't actually see her pee. I only noticed it when I went to go pee myself. I think I was belaying when she was peeing. Suffice it to say, I did not watch her, so everyone can drop that.

caesar.salad wrote: I did not watch her, so everyone can drop that.

Now what fun would that be? I just think we should leave Bill alone and start focusing on you being a perv.

Reminds me a couple years back at Cathedral Ledge a climbing partner /friend of mine is chatting it up, she grabs a pouch out of her pack, walks 6 feet away turns her back to us still talking and all the guys shut up and turn red when we figure out she's taking a leak with a funnel.
She does the manly wiggle, zip, packs away the device and is still chatting away.
Priceless!

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Mike Brady wrote:

This was all the talk by the ladies this weekend camping. haha. They had so many names for it.

Scott McMahon wrote: This was all the talk by the ladies this weekend camping. haha. They had so many names for it.

I think my favorite is the Freshette

J. Albers wrote: In the past I have told cigarette droppers that either they pick it up or I will have to. Usually the act of me picking it makes them realize what a jackass they are being.

This is similar to my tactic. I like to give people the opportunity to do the right thing, so I'll confirm with the litterer that they plan to pick up whatever they dropped and educate (e.g. banana peels don't biodegrade quickly) if needed. If they balk at responsibility I'll just do it for them. I'm not into "telling" other adults what to do.

Would probably draw the line at a steaming pile. Wouldn't be shy about posting pics of the perpetrator though.

csproul wrote:When you walk 15 ft away from a crowded crag to pee, you have no expectation of privacy and should not be surprised that everyone saw you do it.

If you're into watersports I understand you might have a hard time looking away once you figure it out.. I didn't peg you for kinky but you learn something new every day I guess. Between frowning on fighting and watching girl pee because they're in public I guess chivalry is dead.

J. If you watched any female I know pee and I'm there when you tell her hey I saw that prepare. Black eye? I would have to size you up first. May be just a wet willy.

Fights in the woods are scary. No police, no one to save you. I speak from first hand experience.

Salad, I thought you were a perv. Carry on with your good deeds. No beef here.

Yes I would sit on you. Every fight I've lost has been a small guy that's too fast to box with. So yea that fights going to the ground.

Those female pee funnel things are the best. Women should have the same pee freedom that men do.

Bill, I'm just curious here so please don't take this as threatening: is there no concealed carry in your state? Are you not worried about knives or any other weapons? Confronting strangers in an aggressive (or violent) manner, especially ones that are being confrontation to strangers themselves, seems a little risky. I'm a firm believer in being calm, reasonable and non-threatening (regardless of the side of the isle I find myself on), until I absolutely need not to be. If someone sees my S.O. pee at the crag because she didn't bother to go far enough away, well that's her fault. If someone followers her so they can watch, that's another story. But there's no expectation of privacy on public lands and I don't think it's technically even legal to expose yourself to urinate (but perhaps I'm mistaken on that). I mean, if a guy just turns around and whips it out to pee, is that public exposure? What if he doesn't turn around? Reverse the gender and you may see public opinion on who the perv is reverse too.

To the OP: I think saying something is responsible.I think being accusatory or confrontational right out of the gate is unwarranted, though it may become so depending on how the encounter progresses.

Jake Jones wrote: So, if I see a chick squatting and realize she's peeing, I still essentially watched her pee- even if only for a few seconds. Am I still getting my ass kicked? Where's the time cut off? What if I see something but can't tell what it is, so I start squinting and I have to move a little closer to determine... and OH DEAR GOD it's been 15 seconds and here comes Bill and he looks pissed. Seems a bit much to me, but what do I know? I'm not into watersports. Is there a threshold that exists? A time limit? What happens if a dude starts roughing up the suspect while he's watching? Murder?

Remember you're walking over to us. That said.. Yea you might get a wet willy. It would be a total misunderstanding.

People I never said I was perfect. I'm stating what would happen. What can I say.. I'm fat and have temper.

Salad, Those funnels are great. Especially when the Latinos think the chick at work has a penis cause she's peeing standing up.