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Training your body to need less water?

Joe Coover · · Sheridan, WY · Joined Jun 2014 · Points: 20
Patrick Shyvers wrote: Fat metabolism is a source of water, yes. But, turning to your own linked article: I'm not at all an expert though, so I welcome correction. Reviewing the general form of the fat metabolism pathway, it does look like you are right in that fat reaction itself is an oxidation, i.e. oxygen is the other input, not water. On the other hand it looks like there is a pathway involving hydrolysis, which takes water as an input... It's a very interesting question, and I haven't spent much time with biochem in many years.
Noted. Though continue reading as the article continues, it says:

"Thus if attention is focused on columns 1 and 4 of Table 2, ethanol
would be the most superior in terms of both water and energy,
but a good fuel would also be the 50:50 glycogen and triglyceride
mixture, with a moderate energy yield and no net loss of water."

Therefore, the normal breakdown of glycogen and triglyceride results in no net loss of water. Therefore, my original point I was trying to make is that metabolism of macronutrients has nothing to do with dehydration during sport.

I would be interested if you have seen otherwise?
Joe Coover · · Sheridan, WY · Joined Jun 2014 · Points: 20
Matthew Williams 1 wrote: I put a couple "Nuun" tablets in my Nalgene and roll (2 tablets to a liter.) Electrolyte depletion can cause a person to "bonk." My wife's sister is a marathon runner and put me on to it, and I never go out for a long time without it. Nuun is carried at a lot of outdoor shops or you can get deals online. Lots of flavors and isn't sugar-based. Just about getting electrolytes lost from sweating back into you. Google it and see what you think...
Though electrolyte tablets are not terrible, I would watch out from taking too much. Adding too much can have side effects. Also, this brand is way overpriced for something you should be able to get much cheaper. Most of the research says sodium and chloride are the main items you need to replenish.

journals.lww.com/acsm-csmr/…

Also, if you already had an energy drink these contain caffeine, poping a few of these can have the usual side effects.
Matthew Williams 1 · · Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania · Joined Nov 2014 · Points: 85
Joe Coover wrote: Though electrolyte tablets are not terrible, I would watch out from taking too much. Adding too much can have side effects. Also, this brand is way overpriced for something you should be able to get much cheaper. Most of the research says sodium and chloride are the main items you need to replenish. journals.lww.com/acsm-csmr/… Also, if you already had an energy drink these contain caffeine, poping a few of these can have the usual side effects.
Yes "Nuun Energy" does indeed have caffeine added so that is something to consider, but the original Nuun is caffeine free so if you get the jitters or just don't want caffeine in your system that's one way to go. I suppose if I found something that was cheaper AND tasty I would consider that too, thanks. I usually pound some good strong black coffee before climbing or doing anything else outoors, which by the way for climbing makes it hard to differentiate if I'm shaking from the caffeine, Elvis-leg or the exposure - ha!) so I usually go with the original Nuun.
Adam B · · Wheat Ridge, CO · Joined Oct 2008 · Points: 310
Joe Coover wrote: Though electrolyte tablets are not terrible, I would watch out from taking too much. Adding too much can have side effects. Also, this brand is way overpriced for something you should be able to get much cheaper. Most of the research says sodium and chloride are the main items you need to replenish. journals.lww.com/acsm-csmr/… Also, if you already had an energy drink these contain caffeine, poping a few of these can have the usual side effects.
+1 on the Nuun.

I just add a little kosher salt and fruit juice to my water when I know I am going to be exerting at a high level.
ARaceTaren · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2015 · Points: 0

Hey everyone,

I'm a few days late but I fired I would add a post because I've been trying out a lot of different electrolyte drinks lately, namely Skratch, Osmo and Nuun. For starters, I'll say that a proper electrolyte drink (not coconut water) is critical for me because I have a really sensitive gut and anything that's not designed for max absorption ends up causing me problems. I found Nuun to be the tastiest of the three drinks, Skratch to be second best and Osmo didn't have much taste at all. My experience was the exact opposite for what I found to be the easiest to digest, Osmo was 1a with Skratch a 1b, not much difference at all, Nuun doesn't have any sugar in it and your body can actually absorb water easier with a little bit of glucose/fructose.

I've also tried SoS Rehydration which basically just tastes like flavoured water, but I found it hydrated really well too.

If you're interested in seeing some of the video reviews I put together with my entire opinion of these electrolyte drinks here they are:

youtube.com/watch?v=1gOPyGQ…

youtube.com/watch?v=uoPDdgA…

youtube.com/watch?v=Pygd1t3…

taipan jam · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2015 · Points: 30

Do what Warren Harding did and you'll be fine...

Bill Czajkowski · · Albuquerque, NM · Joined Oct 2008 · Points: 20

During World War II and prior there is some narrative evidence that indicates water rationing at levels far below what we see today was fairly common. I assume to mitigate the impact of the logistics effort required to supply it. Not very different from what you're looking at. Those guys won the war - maybe it works but, what I've read didn't really conclude if they learned to use less or just got by on what was provided.

Rusty Finkelstein · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2014 · Points: 0

Yes, you can successfully use "dehydration training." LOl but not how you might think. One does not become more efficient by training in a dehydrated state. You just need to train more and develop a stronger cardio base so that you're more efficient, and require less water to accomplish the same run/bike/climb ect.... For real though, me and my running buddies used to joke about this. Looking back on it, after years of running trails in the mountains, I do require less water now to go faster and further. Main point: nobody is strong when dehydrated, you can, however, learn to use the water available more efficiently through good ol'fashion training.

Yury · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2014 · Points: 0
Rusty Finkelstein wrote:Main point: nobody is strong when dehydrated ...
Actually the opposite is true. Mild dehydration improves performance according to research cited in "Waterlogged: The Serious Problem of Overhydration in Endurance Sport" book by Timothy Noakes.

http://www.amazon.com/Waterlogged-Serious-Problem-Overhydration-Endurance/dp/145042497X
coppolillo · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2009 · Points: 70

boy, i'd be careful about a single source claiming dehydration (mild or whatever) IMPROVES performance...sounds really implausible to me, but i haven't read it.

Nuun tablets, if you read the label, have nowhere near the electrolyte requirements you need....

Skratch Labs makes a product called "Hyper Hydration" that was originally designed for NASCAR drivers and anybody who can't possibly drink what they need during an event---think Ironman, alpine climbing, driving for several hours in a 160-degree cockpit. Basically you mix the Hyper formula into water and slam it 15 minutes before your event. Its salinity is equal to that of your bloodstream, so provided you begin exercising within a half hour, the fluid passes from your gut into your bloodstream, hyper hydrating you.

It's like taking the saline IV bags another post suggested (that, too, sounds unreasonable and sketchy--taking an IV to go climbing? huh?!)...but your allowing your body to do the work.

Also---be careful of products with sodium chloride. It will upset your gut in the concentrations you need. Skratch, and other higher-quality mixes, use sodium citrate, which allows far easier absorption from the gut.

Anyway--Skratch's Hyper Hydration allows you to take on a bunch of extra fluid ahead of time and then cheat dehydraton a while longer. I drank a full liter of it before a skimo race this year without any gut upset or problems--and the race started on a 30-minute climb.

Hyper Hydration is NOT a daily drink, nor is it for people who manage to stay hydrated most days. It's for people who--like the the OP sounds--find themselves dehydrated and unable to carry enough water. I'm the same way, so recommend you give it a try. Read the following--all of it--before you try.

skratchlabs.com/blogs/news/…

Rusty Finkelstein · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2014 · Points: 0

Whoa that's pretty sweet, Yury. I would love to get my hands on the book. It makes sense that being too hydrated can be counter-productive, and that maybe the optimal level is less than we think?
Have you read this? Is he really saying gains are made if you're training while dehydrated? Very curious... this could change everything.

Yury · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2014 · Points: 0

I have not read this book myself.
I just remember that somebody mentioned it on another forum.
I like this idea because it matches my own experience.

cassondra l · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2008 · Points: 335

Move to Las Vegas for awhile, and keep your mouth shut when you breath. Works for me....

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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