climbing tights - are they back?

Yes, a sexy woman wearing sexy clothing very well may distract a male climber. the same thing goes for a sexy man wearing sexy clothing. it's simple cause and effect. this does absolve the belayer of being a shitty inattentive belayer. he/she is still responsible his/her actions, or lack thereof. i'm a teenage boy; of course i'm going to joke around about sex and sexy people. that's what teenage boys do. i do, however, know when to and not to joke around. the internet is a playground; its anonymity allows people to say things that they may not want to say in public. that's just the way it is. if i'm around my female friends i'm probably not going to be joking around about women. the internet is a different story. but if you to think that i'm some creepy rapist or that i treat women like shit, i don't really care because you don't actually know me.

Em Cos wrote: *This is the same mindset used by rapists to justify their actions.* This attitude is not ok on any level. If you fuck up your belay, you fucked up. A woman who happens to be in your field of vision is not responsible, you are. End of story. Statements, jokes or not, that promote objectifying women and absolving men of responsibility for their actions based on what a woman is wearing, are not ok. At least in my book, and I will continue to call it like I see it, all over the internet.

Way to lay it out. I couldn't agree more. It says everything about how we as a culture view personal responsibility that only women are accused of being distracting when men wearing the same tight-fitting clothing is far more strange and unusual, and therefore far more likely to distract.

In the spirit of full disclosure, I'll readily confess to being distracted by attractive female climbers while belaying on a regular basis, but this is 100% my problem and not theirs.

A truly attentive belayer must be aware of his surroundings as well as the climber. Including the women folk sauntering about in their tight clothing.

But most importantly you must be on the lookout for the fashion forward spandex of that dude sending 13+. He will surely have clothing the correct ratio of polyurethane, nylon and cotton to allow for proper support of the important things in life, like sending. Bigger, longer, and hairier stems are only possible because of spandex.

eli poss wrote:Yes, a sexy woman wearing sexy clothing very well may distract a male climber. the same thing goes for a sexy man wearing sexy clothing. it's simple cause and effect. this does absolve the belayer of being a shitty inattentive belayer.

A belayer may be distracted by a sexy climber, or an ugly climber, or a chipmunk about to eat their PB&J, or a sudden rainstorm, or any number of things.

Jacob Smith wrote: I'll readily confess to being distracted by attractive female climbers while belaying on a regular basis, but this is 100% my problem and not theirs.

THIS, right here, is the difference. If you allow yourself to be distracted and fail at your job of giving an excellent attentive belay, that is YOUR fault. It is not the chipmunk's fault, or the rainstorm's fault, or the sexy climber's fault. Yours. THAT is the key difference.

eli poss wrote:i'm a teenage boy; of course i'm going to joke around about sex and sexy people. that's what teenage boys do. i do, however, know when to and not to joke around. the internet is a playground; its anonymity allows people to say things that they may not want to say in public. that's just the way it is. if i'm around my female friends i'm probably not going to be joking around about women. the internet is a different story.

"The internet" is not some magical consequence-free playground. You are a real person, saying real things to other real people. Why wouldn't you say the same thing around your female friends? Because it's inappropriate and sexist? Any of your female friends could be on here reading it right now, or if not, other females who are every bit as deserving of your respect as your other female friends. Yes, I know you are a teenager - don't let that be an excuse for behavior you know is wrong. Learn from others, and be better than that. If you have to say "what do you expect, I'm a teenager" it means you already know you're in the wrong. Rise above, my young friend. We believe in you.

eli poss wrote:but if you to think that i'm some creepy rapist or that i treat women like shit, i don't really care because you don't actually know me.

True, I don't know you. I only know what you say here. Which is why I only commented on what you say here, not on the entirety of you as a person. I didn't say you were a creepy rapist or that you treat women like shit, I said that you made an obnoxious and sexist comment, one that you've made before, and that I DO know. And though you've said you were joking your follow-up post seems to indicate you do indeed hold to the belief that "women dressed sexy" are responsible for causing bad belays around them. YOU are responsible for the quality of your belay, and for all of your other actions and behaviors. You.

Women wearing tight spandex CAN cause belay accidents, it doesn't mean that they meant to or it was their fault. Eli didn't say they do it on purpose, they just do. Em, you're having an Internet argument with a teenage boy. He's not going to back down for all the reasons he stated. I'm sure people are happy that you crusade on Internet forums for justice but you've gotta pick your battles. You've given Eli more air time just by continuing to bring him up.
The climbing world is filled with beautiful, fit people. If you can't provide a safe belay without being able to check out the opposite sex, god help you.
What you should do Em is call Eli a dumb ass for supporting the climbing on wet sandstone and go grab a beer.

I still maintain it is not the women CAUSING the accident, but if you don't see the distinction I don't think I can make any further points I haven't already made.

I don't think Eli's age makes him any less worthy of my time than anyone else, and if he (or anyone else) learned something or saw a different perspective today then it was well worth my time. I didn't have any other battles competing for my attention at the moment, so this was a fine one to pick.

I don't think I could consider tights, or leggings, or spandex whatever you want to call it, because I have hairy legs and even my hairy feet get uncomfortable with socks that are too tight.

What I do need is a decent pair of pants for climbing, it seems all the shorts/pants I have are just too restrictive around the crotch, really gets tough to high step in a harness. Even a decent pair of sierra pants from REI is just not that great at hips, I've been resorting to climbing in gym shorts for the flexibility, just that I always get my knees/shins scraped up.

Anyone know what pair of pants Sharma was wearing in this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIRK1WEoGMM

Nate KSD wrote:What I do need is a decent pair of pants for climbing, it seems all the shorts/pants I have are just too restrictive around the crotch, really gets tough to high step in a harness.

I have the same problem except with sweating so much that my knees stick to my pants, preventing high stepping, the trick is to wear stretchy materials, besides the lycra i have a pair of TNF climbing pants that I really like. I think just about any pant designed for rock climbing will have the stretch that you need.

Nate KSD wrote: What I do need is a decent pair of pants for climbing, it seems all the shorts/pants I have are just too restrictive around the crotch, really gets tough to high step in a harness.

I love the Prana Bonson pants for climbing. They look good for around town and are surprisingly stretchy and flexible for climbing.

prana.com/bronson-pant.html…

Nate KSD wrote:I don't think I could consider tights, or leggings, or spandex whatever you want to call it, because I have hairy legs and even my hairy feet get uncomfortable with socks that are too tight. What I do need is a decent pair of pants for climbing, it seems all the shorts/pants I have are just too restrictive around the crotch, really gets tough to high step in a harness. Even a decent pair of sierra pants from REI is just not that great at hips, I've been resorting to climbing in gym shorts for the flexibility, just that I always get my knees/shins scraped up. Anyone know what pair of pants Sharma was wearing in this video? youtube.com/watch?v=MIRK1WE…

Verve Belikos.

eli poss wrote:Yes, a sexy woman wearing sexy clothing very well may distract a male climber. the same thing goes for a sexy man wearing sexy clothing. it's simple cause and effect. this does absolve the belayer of being a shitty inattentive belayer. he/she is still responsible his/her actions, or lack thereof. i'm a teenage boy; of course i'm going to joke around about sex and sexy people. that's what teenage boys do. i do, however, know when to and not to joke around. the internet is a playground; its anonymity allows people to say things that they may not want to say in public. that's just the way it is. if i'm around my female friends i'm probably not going to be joking around about women. the internet is a different story. but if you to think that i'm some creepy rapist or that i treat women like shit, i don't really care because you don't actually know me.

Please, never stop talking.

Kitty Tights

Only If they have satanic kitty cats on them...

My only complaints is that unless you have a huge dong to show off you have to walk around bowlegged all day. They don't leave much to the imagination.

Well this escalated quickly..
Climb in whatever you feel comfortable in...whether its tights, shorts, climbing pants whatever, were all there for the same reason whatever your climbing in.
In the case of the distracted belayer..If your the distracted belayer this may happen to you one day trying to "catch a peak" at a girls booty in climbing leggings..your joke is juvenile -_-

youtu.be/Py6W0-xV4cM

Eldo Love wrote: Only If they have satanic kitty cats on them... My only complaints is that unless you have a huge dong to show off you have to walk around bowlegged all day. They don't leave much to the imagination.

where did you get these! ahah

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Check out the righteous neon tights in the 1988 CMI catalog. There's even some gratuitous bulge shots... Decide for yourself if styles are "in" or "out".

CMI catalog 1988

Em Cos wrote: A belayer may be distracted by a sexy climber, or an ugly climber, or a chipmunk about to eat their PB&J, or a sudden rainstorm, or any number of things. THIS, right here, is the difference. If you allow yourself to be distracted and fail at your job of giving an excellent attentive belay, that is YOUR fault. It is not the chipmunk's fault, or the rainstorm's fault, or the sexy climber's fault. Yours. THAT is the key difference.

I did state that the belayer is still 100% responsible for his/her actions. i'm sorry that you got the message "it's okay for a belayer who chooses to oggle another sexy climber to do so, because the sexy climber was wearing sexy clothes." that was not the message i was trying to send.

Eli Poss wrote:this does (typo here i meant to say doesn't) absolve the belayer of being a shitty inattentive belayer. he/she is still responsible his/her actions, or lack thereof.

mediocre wrote:What you should do Em is call Eli a dumb ass for supporting the climbing on wet sandstone and go grab a beer.

my support for climbing on sandstone was dependent on the type of sandstone. it is perfectly acceptable to climb chattanooga sandstone even if it's a little wet. in fact, i can think of a classic at T-wall that is rarely 100% dry because it lies under a drainage. just remember to consider the lubrication of water before you place an SLCD in a wet wet crack

but back to the original topic, i much prefer a light pair of pajama pants. they give me plenty of room for my legs to breathe, they are comfy as hell, and allow for a much larger range of motion than i even posses. plus i've made some of my biggest personal achievements as a climber while wearing my favorite pair of pajama pants. they're my good luck pants and i love em

frankstoneline wrote: Verve Belikos.

Pretty spot on, I might have to give them a try, although Eli's method of pajama pants seems like a good alternative too.

I actually wear chefs pants sometimes, and I used to all the time. They are super lightweight, roomy, and you have all the room for movement you want. Its basically thin cotton, with a string to keep them on. Great for if you plan on baking in the sun for hours on some multipitch.

If you seriously want tights to climb in - look into Track and Field sites. Many runners wear tights (including the guys) on cooler/colder days. They are usually one color - (often black) but other colors are available too. Do tights look weird climbing - maybe - but who the heck cares? A pair of shorts over heavyweight tights are my go to outfit come fall temperatures.