Is leaving your dog at the base of multipitch climb really Animal abuse?

Sendasaurus Rex wrote:I have a sweet climbing dog. Her capacity for suffering is nowhere near a human's. I doubt that she is even conscious, which means she can't feel any pain. I understand the human psychological tendency to project our inward experience on other animals because their behavior is somewhat analogous to ours, but if you have ever had a dog, you would know that there's barely anything (if anything at all) rattling around in their heads. If one can't find a dog sitter, or one wants to get their dog some exercise on the approach, there's no good reason not to tie the dog up at the base of a climb for a few hours, unless wildlife is a threat. One child's tear is worse than 10,000 hours of dogs whining for their masters. I would hope that detractors consider the life a climbing dog lives compared to its wild wolf counterparts in terms of suffering vs. comfort. This is a clear example of bleeding-hearts looking for an opportunity to vent their victim frustration in every possible channel.

Are you sure she's a dog and not a sea slug? That's a pretty common mix-up.

Ron Thompson wrote:I was once at Joshua Tree climbing Right On and I had my dog tied up with water near the climb and two climbers came over and started kicking my dog when I was on the third pitch . It was not right, my dog had lots of water and I use to climb Right On in a hour so he was not going to be there long. However having climber walk by and kick and throw rocks at a dog is wrong ...

I can't describe the shit I could do if I saw someone kicking my dog.
I guess I can't be surprised though, if the type of people go to JT to graffiti rocks then everything else pretty much follows.

Ron Thompson wrote:I was once at Joshua Tree climbing Right On and I had my dog tied up with water near the climb and two climbers came over and started kicking my dog when I was on the third pitch . It was not right, my dog had lots of water and I use to climb Right On in a hour so he was not going to be there long. However having climber walk by and kick and throw rocks at a dog is wrong ...

I'd be a bit pissed off as well. Maybe next time leave the dog at home since its illegal to have them in most places in Josh?

In my opinion, if your dog is used to that sort of thing, hanging out at the base and has done so successfully on shorter climbs without separation anxiety, freaking out, etc and the dog has significant shade and plenty of water. I think its okay as long as your not going to be gone for like 8 hours. For longer climbs like that i think they should hang at home.
But if your dog flips out barking and has little "outside hangout" experience then leave them at home.. i feel like the last thing i would want to think about climbing is "is my dog OK down there?"

Ron Thompson wrote:I was once at Joshua Tree climbing Right On and I had my dog tied up with water near the climb and two climbers came over and started kicking my dog when I was on the third pitch . It was not right, my dog had lots of water and I use to climb Right On in a hour so he was not going to be there long. However having climber walk by and kick and throw rocks at a dog is wrong ...

Yeah, I think unstable 2 legged creatures are the biggest concern if you choose to leave your dog unattended.

Nathanael wrote:It's not abuse to leave a well-trained dog unattended for a couple hours. What, you think it's just going to spontaneously die if it's not being continuously petted for more than 5 minutes? Is it abuse to leave my dog unattended while I take a shit?

Dogs don't need constant attention but things can happen if you go off and leave them alone. See post above. Doesn't mean it's abuse to leave a dog alone but you aren't there if s**t like that happens.

climbing friend,

If your dog would shit with no pickup or do the barking or the freaking out or the pack rummaging, they should not be being brought to the climbing rocks, and I will barbecue your dog and carry with me the crispy dog-nuggets on my next bold, enjoyable, flash for most delicious sports-nutrition.

The dog should not be doing the existing there just because you like it. It may only be permitted at the climbing rocks if it is well behaved.

climbing friend Aleks, you eat dog nuggets? how are those?

Aleks Zebastian wrote:climbing friend, If your dog would shit with no pickup or do the barking or the freaking out or the pack rummaging, they should not be being brought to the climbing rocks, and I will barbecue your dog and carry with me the crispy dog-nuggets on my next bold, enjoyable, flash for most delicious sports-nutrition. The dog should not be doing the existing there just because you like it. It may only be permitted at the climbing rocks if it is well behaved.

See- that's my point. Leave your dog unattenended and they might be barbecued and eaten by Aleks....

Kyle Cobbler wrote:climbing friend Aleks, you eat dog nuggets? how are those?

Climbing friend cobbler,

I do not eat them often. I do not eat them much, compared to fishhead. I find the taste to be not complete unlike chicken, but taste more like dirt and with extra-meatier flavorings.

And climbing friend cragman,

I would not take the dog to my camp for barbecuing if dog is behaving well.

spencerparkin wrote:Have we talked yet about simply taking the dog up the route with you? Dean Potter would BASE jump with his dog, I think. Sounds like dogs could come along for the climb too.

I cant find a haul bag thats breathable enough

Go climb in a National Park. No dogs allowed!!!! It's awesome. No obnoxious barking, no owners screaming at their animal from 3 pitches up to behave. Just you, the birds and the gusting wind.

Dave Holliday wrote: My dog is on benadryl for mild allergies. She weighs about 60lbs and gets 50mg twice a day.

One of my dogs has allergies as well, I took the chart that I printed here anydogrescue.org/benadryl-f… to my Vet and she said this is accurate, but should take my dog in to get checked just in case there is an underlying issue.

this is why i dont own kids or dogs.... climb on

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He s my buddy protecting the stuff at the base... I think dogs love the outdoor and love to wait for theyr best friend, relax and climb with your dog is a good positive moment for both. Animal abuse is, Bitting them, Cage them, Lish them. Let them free, they are the best man friend.

Buddies

This thread is so lame...

Whats not to like about dogs? They are way nicer than most of you humans... Sure, they eat your food, drink your beer, need attention, and make some noise here and there... but so do your obnoxious human friends.

If were honest here, the real problem is that your probably climbing at a 'crag' with easy access. If there is a baby near where your climbing, you should be ashamed of yourself for not hiking further into the backcountry where you WILL find peace and quiet.

You can't take a 5 minute hike down 5ft wide maintained trail and expect to have the place to yourself.

Go somewhere else.