How high is too high?
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We all know that the world's highest mountain is just short enough that a man can reach the top without the aid of oxygen. My question is...how much higher than Everest can a mountain be before it must be physically impossible for a human being to scale it? |
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Olympus Mons is still waiting an FA for that very reason. I hear it only goes at low 5th though. |
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Oh, I thought your were asking about legalization in Colorado. Never mind. |
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when you have to crawl back to bed because you can't even walk. oh and screw everest, it's just for rich guys with huge egos. if that's you, on the other hand, sick my duck |
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spencerparkin wrote:We all know that the world's highest mountain is just short enough that a man can reach the top without the aid of oxygen. My question is...how much higher than Everest can a mountain be before it must be physically impossible for a human being to scale it? Also, wouldn't it be rad if the world's tallest mountain had about 50 pitches of 5.15d stacked on top of one another the whole way! Awesome!Well, how high can you jump without oxygen? The FAA mandates oxygen in unpressurized cabins above 15,000'. However, I think people have jumped above 30,000' without oxygen. But there is a big difference between jumping out of a plane with an HR of 80 vs climbing a mountain with an HR of 150. Edit: it looks like the record is 42,000' although the jumper breathed pure oxygen on the aircraft and he held his breath during the jump. So I would say 35,000' is pushing the limit of what's possible, and that assumes you're sitting on your ass not doing anything physically exhausting. In the Navy I breathed air simulating 25000' to understand the workings of hypoxia and I felt like I was going to pass out. It was bad. fabulousrocketeers.com/Phot… |
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20 kN wrote: Well, how high can you jump without oxygen? The FAA mandates oxygen in unpressurized cabins above 15,000'. However, I think people have jumped above 30,000' without oxygen. But there is a big difference between jumping out of a plane with an HR of 80 vs climbing a mountain with an HR of 150. Edit: it looks like the record is 42,000' although the jumper breathed pure oxygen on the aircraft and he held his breath during the jump. So I would say 35,000' is pushing the limit of what's possible, and that assumes you're sitting on your ass not doing anything physically exhausting. In the Navy I breathed air simulating 25000' to understand the workings of hypoxia and I felt like I was going to pass out. It was bad. fabulousrocketeers.com/Phot…Does this assume no acclimatisation? What's the absolute limit of human survival? The 'death zone' is called that for a reason, no? I think I've read somewhere that .15 atm is the absolute limit of human survival.. this equates to 13500m or thereabouts. Oly Mons looks like a rad line, dude! I bet it's first climbed in poor style though. |
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Beean wrote: Does this assume no acclimatisation? What's the absolute limit of human survival? The 'death zone' is called that for a reason, no? I think I've read somewhere that .15 atm is the absolute limit of human survival.. this equates to 13500m or thereabouts. Oly Mons looks like a rad line, dude! I bet it's first climbed in poor style though.Well, the other concern is it might just be too cold to survive at those altitudes. At 13500m it could be -150F out, which even with the warmest winter jacket you would still freeze to death. |
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eli poss wrote:oh and screw everest, it's just for rich guys with huge egos. if that's you, on the other hand, sick my duckEli, I highly recommend you read "Into Thin Air." While the commercialization of Everest is certainly not a good thing, and while it's not a "technical" mountain, a very high level of toughness and perseverance is still required to walk uphill in snow at 28,000 feet, and the risks are still very real. |
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i have read that book. i just can't imagine hiking up everest would be fun for a climber because there isn't any 5th class. i'm not saying it isn't difficult, i just don't see the reward of hiking everest being worth the trouble for a real climber. |
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LOCKER? |
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Different strokes for different folks. |
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eli poss wrote:i have read that book. i just can't imagine hiking up everest would be fun for a climber because there isn't any 5th class. i'm not saying it isn't difficult, i just don't see the reward of hiking everest being worth the trouble for a real climber.A "real climber"? Most " real climbers" I've met were sucking o's and begging for mercy on a steep boulder field at 10k+. On the other hand, I'm willing to bet a majority of people fit enough to climb everest can climb 5.8-5.10. So who is "real"? Edit.....I am a rock climber and general mountaineer. 2nd edit...just saw that you're 18.....that explains it. |
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I wonder which is harder, an Ultraman or Everest? |
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eli poss wrote:i have read that book. i just can't imagine hiking up everest would be fun for a climber because there isn't any 5th class. i'm not saying it isn't difficult, i just don't see the reward of hiking everest being worth the trouble for a real climber.I'd never call mountaineering fun, but I think it's definitely a more rewarding pursuit than cragging. Different strokes. |
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20 kN wrote:I wonder which is harder, an Ultraman or Everest? 10,000m ocean swim 261.4 mile bike 52.4 mile run Done back to back as a single race (triathlon) with time limits to ensure you cant walk the whole thing. Just think how hard your last marathon was, and then imagine doing another three or four of those in a row. Then of course there are other contenders like a RAAM solo (ride your bike across America), the PCT (~2200 mile hike) and my favorite, joining the special forces which probably tops all of this.PCT, not so much...some incredibly unhealthy people have used it as a a weight loss strategy and made it...not to mention they insane partying some of those folks do on the trail. I picked a guy to re-cash last season, and he had been high - not baked high - for weeks. Special F orces...yes sir, got that ISIS bastard, not to mention Ben Laden and others. Hats off to those guys, and gals (?). |
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Ryan-G wrote: Special F orces...yes sir, got that ISIS bastard, not to mention Ben Laden and others. Hats off to those guys, and gals (?).No gals unless they are in a support field. The SF are opening their doors to women, but no women have passed even basic infantry school. So until ladies like Rowdy Rhonda Rousey start signing up, it'll be a while. |
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Eliot Augusto wrote: e SF are opening their doors to women, but no women have passed even basic infantry school. So until ladies like Rowdy Rhonda Rousey start signing up, it'll be a while.They are considering It (At at least in terms of the Navy) But it's unlikely to happen. Most of the operators I have talked to are against it. There are also other serious concerns with women serving in SOGs which have no apparent solution. |
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I have been thinking of getting a kickstarter going to fund my building a tube around part of the Mariana Trench... that way i could drain it and turn it into the ultimate climb. |
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If you are getting a spinning feeling and get bolts of light streaking past your eyes, then you might be too high. Oh wait wrong thread... ViperScale wrote:I have been thinking of getting a kickstarter going to fund my building a tube around part of the Mariana Trench... that way i could drain it and turn it into the ultimate climb. I think we have hit the limit on going up. We need to start draining the water to make new climbs. I want the FA for the first -35,994' climb =)The future of new climbs is in caves my friend. Grab a helmet and go find something. |