Third flatiron in May?
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Visiting the area for vacation this week. |
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The Access Fund's site usually has good info on closures. You can also call the Chautauqua Ranger office and hear directly from the horse's mouth. |
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The 3rd flatiron is closed every year from Feb through July, will reopen Aug. 1. |
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I have also been wondering about this I know the closure dates but I see people on MP posting about how there gonna solo it all the time during the off season..are we being selfish and reckless? |
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So the OSMP site says that the third is closed, but doesn't mention the first. So it looks like the first is fair game still? |
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Here is a list I did on SP that may help... |
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EeT wrote:I have also been wondering about this I know the closure dates but I see people on MP posting about how there gonna solo it all the time during the off season..are we being selfish and reckless?I believe you are mistaken about the existence of these posts, and inadvertently slandering the local community. Care to cite a few of them? The routes commonly climbed on the 3rd are in clear view from all of Chautauqua. Closure violations aren't likely to go unnoticed. @ the OP- the 3rd will sometimes open early if the birdies have fledged, but I can't recall it ever happening before July. The N ridge of the 1st is a great route at the grade you are seeking. Approach by doing the 1st Flatironette, then the Spy then the N ridge and you'll have a great day. The rock seems impervious to moisture, so no need to let it dry out a la Red Rocks. Licheny spots can be slippery when wet. Since protection is generally sparse on easier Flatiron routes, wet rock can add a lot of excitement. |
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Mark E Dixon wrote:The rock seems impervious to moisture, so no need to let it dry out a la Red Rocks.What the f*#k are you talking about??? Are you including the small flakes and edges in your assessment?? While *most* of Boulder's sandstone is stronger/less porous than most other sandstones, that's still a pretty damn stupid thing to tell someone. I'm hoping my snark meter is just off today.... |
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BDergay wrote: What the f*#k are you talking about??? Are you including the small flakes and edges in your assessment?? While *most* of Boulder's sandstone is stronger/less porous than most other sandstones, that's still a pretty damn stupid thing to tell someone. I'm hoping my snark meter is just off today....Really? The cracks are permeable but the stone itself doesn't absorb much as far as I know, unklike the porous sandstoen of Red Rocks, etc. Do you really not climb in the Faltirons and Eldo if it's wet? |
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Sand stone is weaker after getting wet. PERIOD. |
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Yeah, while there is very solid stone in the Flatirons, and it is not like Red Rock or Indian Creek, you wanna let All Rock dry out before climbing on it. Water gets behind the flakes and so on. Sure, the Flatirons "Fountain Sandstone (?)" dries Fast.. But don't climb on stuff when it's wet. Or when it's closed. There is a college here, and those selfies someone was mentioning could just be via the ignorant and uninitiated. |
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chris schulte wrote: Even granite can break when it's damp.So are you saying one shouldn't climb on any wet rock period? |
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BDergay wrote:Sand stone is weaker after getting wet. PERIOD. Now, one can argue that that Boulder's sandstone is a bit more compact and therefore less likely to be impacted. But- there are still PLENTY of holds that are porous. As I mentioned- exposed flakes might have softer rock- smaller edges will be weakened. And for you two to be telling a tourist that sandstone is fine after the rain, and with such proof as "seems impervious to moisture" and "as far as I know" and of course "never worried about a hold breaking and it's been damn wet".. wtf?! I can't believe we're sitting here debating whether sandstone is impacted by moisture.... and, as mentioned, telling someone not familiar with sandstone that it's okay....You should climb on east coast sandstone before you act like you are an expert on rock strength. You can climb at the Red and New (both sand stone) all day in the wet, and this is accepted practice. |
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John Tex wrote:you can watch me on an east face if you want. I'll be going solo.Dude Bra!! You're Sick!!! Haha... Watch out everyone! We've got a 5.4 hardman! You should go do the North Ridge of the 5th- since there's nothing breakable out there! Cocoapuffs 1000 wrote:You should climb on east coast sandstone before..Great point! Of course sandstone back east is quite different than sandstone out here, and of course we were discussing Boulder sandstone... but great point, for a different debate, in a different thread, somewhere else....... |
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Steve, I hope you enjoyed climbing this week and didn't let Bdergay and Chris discourage you. |
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Steve, I hope John and Marks' advice, regarding not worrying about wet area sandstone, didn't send you to the hospital. |