Cussing at the crag

I agree. Being inconsiderate is just that. But how far should one take it?

Dear rocks,
I am sorry for kicking you and yelling at you all those times in all those different places and elevations. When I called you those awful names and said those unsavory things, I was wrong. It probably wasn't your fault that my technique was off and that my muscles were weak. I know you didn't mean to scare me so bad. I am sorry.

Cursing has a glorious and much longer tradition in American climbing than taking elementary school kids to the crags.

Locker wrote:The only thing worse than dogs at the crags is a crying brat and their inconsiderate parents that fucking ruin the day for everyone with their selfish actions.

No doubt. I'd be all like, "shut the fuck up baby!!!"

Seriously though, a crying baby at the crag is almost as annoying as a bro-brah screaming b-zaat every time he moves half an inch.

Nick Turtura wrote:Just thought I'd throw this out there. I've been climbing for 25 some odd years now. Recently, over the past few months I've been teaching my kids how to climb. 10, 8, and 8 years old. Being that they are kids I've been taking them to the local crag and the gym. These places are both popular places to climb. Each time we go, nearby climbers are tossing out profanity like it's going out of style.

Let me get this straight-you are voluntarily involving your kids in a subculture where substance abuse is rampant, avoidance of productive work is glorified and a genuine risk of injury or death exists, but throw a little cursing in, and that's a deal breaker?

Mark E Dixon wrote: Let me get this straight-you are voluntarily involving your kids in a subculture where substance abuse is rampant, avoidance of productive work is glorified and a genuine risk of injury or death exists, but throw a little cursing in, and that's a deal breaker?

My church group turned climbing team disagrees. We feel that this is the past in climbing. Now it is a corporate-douche sport where music, drugs, alcohol, risk, cursing, basically anything that was actually part of climbing history other than the gear itself, is banned.

Now we follow rules.

And play nice.

and make commercials.

and money.

Now we cup each-others balls and talk about god,

and slander the loud music listening, drug using, alcoholic visionaries who gave us this great gift of climbing, cause, common,

Christianity can ruin anything.

Don't think so, than why you think so fool?

"tis neither right or wrong but thinking that makes it so" (Shakespeare)

Curse around my fucking kid I dont give a shit. Its my duty to make sure she knows when to never speak those words. Same with booze, have at it. All I ask is you smoke downwind.

wrote:Let me get this straight-you are voluntarily involving your kids in a subculture where substance abuse is rampant, avoidance of productive work is glorified and a genuine risk of injury or death exists, but throw a little cursing in, and that's a deal breaker?

WoooHooo! The end

Mark E Dixon wrote: Let me get this straight-you are voluntarily involving your kids in a subculture where substance abuse is rampant, avoidance of productive work is glorified and a genuine risk of injury or death exists, but throw a little cursing in, and that's a deal breaker?

fuckin' a

These forums are great! Talk about a train wreck.

Do people even read the OP or are they so excited to claim constitutional infringements that they just need to sign up and type. Free world brah. Yep it is. You can cuss all you want. Ultimately I have no control over what you say, nor am I offended and am worried about my kids well being. Nor, am I going to call upon the powers of heaven to send lightning bolts at you. Chill out, I didn't just bolt your favorite "proj." I simply pointed out an unusual occurrence at the local crag that seems to be happening there more than other places.

My 10 year old, whom is climbing in the 10s and is a very quiet and good natured kid who when he hears some DB running his mouth off just looks at me and smiles. The same with my two 8 year old daughters. Ironic that we assume every kid is a brat that runs around and bugs every "real" climber, when the whole opposing argument is that you can do whatever you want, cause this is 'merica!

And the bars and casinos argument, wow, just wow. To be honest, if an 8 year old girl came into a bar, I probably would watch my mouth a bit, regardless of bad parenting.

I just thought I'd see if anybody else was running into this situation as well. Oh and by the way, to the crag rat at the rock with a sailors mouth. Sorry I took a dump in your chalk bag the other day, I mean it's a free country and all, if you don't like keep your chalk bag away from me.

A couple things.
1. If your idea of personal freedom is being able to drop an f-bomb every other word without people looking askance, you've got to be the most myopic person I've ever met. The freedom we have as climbers is not going to be threatened by voluntarily limiting our language around impressionable children.
2. When a parent brings their kids to the crag other climbers are unlikely to offer them beer and pot, plus plenty of climbers live fulfilling, productive lives, so the whole "what kind of subculture are you getting your kids into" argument doesn't really work.

Just be considerate in all things and expect the result to be somewhere between what you want and what others want.

Jake Jones wrote: With 5 billion motherfuckers on this pissant rock and people taking the goddamned skin boat to tuna town like fucking hotcakes, consideration of one another is a must. Don't be a shitbag around the kids. Watch your mouths.

More like 7 billion +/- 100 million or so. Pool's already full folks, so as stated before, spay and neuter those lil' fuck trophies.

Nick Turtura wrote:Oh and by the way, to the crag rat at the rock with a sailors mouth. Sorry I took a dump in your chalk bag the other day, I mean it's a free country and all, if you don't like keep your chalk bag away from me.

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but threatening to sabotage the climbing gear of an active serviceman doesn't seem to me like a great example to set for kids.

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So, I have a thought on this. I used to a be a screaming cusser. I mean, freak out yelling f-bombs when I was getting my ass kicked. I've since stopped, and try not to cuss at all, much less yell anything but the usual grunting, etc. I even try to keep that to a minimum.

I feel that it not only degrades the experience of the people around you, but it also degrades YOUR experience and helps reinforce any self doubt that may be present in your mind. How are you supposed to visualize sending when you are clearly stuck on the failure?

Either way I think it's something that we should try to keep to a minimum, for all our sakes.

Too much cussing is the hallmark of the redneck peckerwood. You want to be like that? You go back to your doublewide now and think about it.

Locker.... Nice Bait, I bet it works very well on a slow day like today.

Stich: for the win...

On some routes my best placed piece is a well timed F-bomb.

Tim Lutz wrote:So now we need to curb our langauge at the crags because the soccer parents dont like it?! Wow. Mother fucking wow.

Dogs and children belong on leashes at the crag. Seriously your kids are not cute and get that thing away from my fucking pack.