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Edelweiss Rope shipped with "CORESHOT"

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Panda Express · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2012 · Points: 30

Bought a new Edelweiss Energy Arc 9.5mm Everydry rope.

I flake it out and it seems ok in the apartment. Taking it out on a multipitch, I'm stuck behind a slower party and to pass the time I randomly inspect my new rope.

I find there are multiple stitching errors in the sheath near the middle section: it looks like there is a "typo" in the weaving of the sheath, where a strand is missing.

As a result of this error, you can see the CORE on the rope. There are at least 3 of these "typos". There are other issues as well: the middle section is somewhat uneven. Also, running my hand down the rope with moderate pressure, I feel like the rope has ribs, as opposed to being a smooth cylinder.

Edelweiss has not responded to my email.




Mike Nevko · · Currently Charlotte · Joined Feb 2011 · Points: 1,626

saw this too when I got my edelweiss a couple years ago. I emailed them and got the following reply.

"The bump you feel at the sheath patter change is actually due to what is called an air splice which is the process used to splice the sheath fibers together at the pattern change. They can also be used in other places in the sheath if a spool of thread runs out while weaving. They are actually stronger in tests than normal sheath weaves. None of this affects the core of the rope in any way. Though stronger and completely safe, in a few cases those air splices can wear much faster than other spots of sheath due to some raised spots or slight lumps caused by how the pieces weave."

just food for thought from them.

Ray Pinpillage · · West Egg · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 180

I don't see the core in any of those photos.

Fallindemon · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2015 · Points: 0

Ok note to self don't buy eidlewise rope

Patrick Mulligan · · Reno, NV · Joined Oct 2011 · Points: 995

I'm sure they'll respond at some point, but only after they stop laughing at it. You will find something similar in all bipattern ropes. In my experience, Edelweiss with their softer hand and smooth ropes the transitions can seem a little more "rough".

Georgehh · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2015 · Points: 0
Patrick Mulligan wrote:I'm sure they'll respond at some point, but only after they stop laughing at the it.
HaHa...+1
Kirtis Courkamp · · Golden · Joined Mar 2011 · Points: 378

Just bought the same rope the other day man. Same thing happened to me I was like wtf I can see the core. Mine way worse than yours you can actually see the white core through the sheath. I said screw it and have spent about 4 weeks climbing on it now seams to be fine. Just don't look at it too much and you will be fine.

divnamite · · New York, NY · Joined Aug 2007 · Points: 90
Kirtis wrote:Just don't look at it too much and you will be fine.
Sorry, I can't help it, LOL!

ANGUS WIESSNER · · Denver Colorad · Joined Feb 2009 · Points: 1,613

Out of all the different ropes i have owned edelweiss was my least favorite but i really like there Canyoneering and caving packs.

Kirtis Courkamp · · Golden · Joined Mar 2011 · Points: 378

This is how it looked when I got it , wasn't too pleased, but so far I haven't died climbing on it ... yet. Nor has more of the core come out of the rope.

Little bit of core sticking out of my rope

Maybe we got a "Bad Batch"

csproul · · Pittsboro...sort of, NC · Joined Dec 2009 · Points: 330

there's nothing wrong with any of the pictured ropes

Scott O · · Anchorage · Joined Mar 2010 · Points: 70

If you have concerns, email the manufacturer for an explanation. Most of these safety "THIS COMPANY'S GEAR IS DANGEROUS!!!" posts are nonsense. If you're going to post one, you should really contact the manufacturer first.

I once got shipped a rope from a respectable rope manufacturer that had a defect in the sheath. I contacted them about it and a had a new rope overnighted to me (I was flying to Alaska the next day).

Georgehh · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2015 · Points: 0
Dylan B. wrote: This, to me, looks a lot worse than the OP.
I think its funny that multiple people on here are judging a rope based on how it looks to them...how are you guys qualified to look at a rope and decide if its a problem or not? As some one already pointed out, Edelweiss has confirmed that this is correct, how the rope is supposed to look, and actually stronger than other sheath weaves. Why is this still being discussed? Why are people hypothesizing on "how it looks to them?"
Matt Pierce · · Poncha Springs, CO · Joined May 2010 · Points: 312
Kirtis wrote:This is how it looked when I got it...Maybe we got a "Bad Batch"
This is ridiculous and I'd be super pissed if they sent this rope to me. Where is their quality review on the products they manufacture? I would have returned this rope for sure.
Will S · · Joshua Tree · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 1,061

A little change in feel is normal on bipatterns at the middle. Some companies even tout this as an advantage because "you can feel the middle mark in the dark". True enough I guess.

I have a couple like this with a noticeable feel where the pattern changes, and no issues. But I wouldn't be happy if the core strands were visible through the sheath, on a new rope, like in that Kirtis photo.

Glenn Schuler · · Monument, Co. · Joined Jun 2006 · Points: 1,330

Panda, you need a recalibration on what the word coreshot means. You should retitle your thread with the word "SLIGHTSHEATHIMPERFECTION"

Fallindemon · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2015 · Points: 0

Georgehh I'm just a simple climber where I get my qualifications to judge rope is when I question it's ability to function for the purpose it is designed for for my own personal safety if I buy a new product and I can see the core basic thought would be that it is unsafe to climb on it feel free to if you like but my butt wouldn't be swinging from it you sound like a sales rep

Georgehh · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2015 · Points: 0
Fallindemon wrote:you sound like a sales rep
Lolz. Spot on. how did you know?
alpinejason · · Minneapolis · Joined Apr 2010 · Points: 176

Not ideal, not going to kill you.

Panda Express · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2012 · Points: 30

My post is factual. You can see the core on the rope. This is why it is called a coreshot. Let me know if you have another definition of coreshot.

The core is visible in the enlarged picture. It's not big, but it's there. It's the white patch under the sheath.

I'm guessing this will reduce the rope's lifespan. There is basically a piece of the sheath missing. It is not large, but imagine running the rope along some surfaces, this area is more likely to wear than others. I also imagine this is also likely to open up more, like a tear in a pocket or a crack in a windshield.

So I will discount the rope's durability, which isn't right. This is one of the fanciest and more expensive ropes available.

Panda Express · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2012 · Points: 30
Kirtis wrote:This is how it looked when I got it , wasn't too pleased, but so far I haven't died climbing on it ... yet. Nor has more of the core come out of the rope. Maybe we got a "Bad Batch"
You should really return and refund this rope. It looks like the core is physically bulging out of the sheath. Did it really ship this way? It looks like the core might have caught on something and have gotten pulled out more.

The principle of retiring ropes from coreshots is that as long as the sheath covers the core, the load bearing part of the rope is protected. In my case, the coreshot is so small that it is safe, but in your case, this clearly looks compromised. People have tested older ropes and found them to fail at impact factors near 8kn, so this core weakness really makes it marginal. Also, another principle is that it probably has no resale value. This is pretty unfair for you to keep this.
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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