Rope sheath damage?
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Hi, |
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Looks like its damaged. |
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Looks like it ran laterally over a sharp edge when someone fell or was working a move. Oops. |
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yer gon die |
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I just sent my edelweiss rocklight 2 back after using it ONE time and noticing sheath damage as well. The online retailer I bought it from contacted Liberty Mountain in Sandy, and then had me send it back to them ( that's where they got it from) I would reconnect with backcountry and ask them exactly how to contact edelweiss. They should be helping you more. I will never buy an edelweiss again...my sterling, and blue water ropes dont have sheath damage after 3 years of use and abuse! |
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Leslie McG wrote:I just sent my edelweiss rocklight 2 back after using it ONE time and noticing sheath damage as well. The online retailer I bought it from contacted Liberty Mountain in Sandy, and then had me send it back to them ( that's where they got it from) I would reconnect with backcountry and ask them exactly how to contact edelweiss. They should be helping you more. I will never buy an edelweiss again...my sterling, and blue water ropes dont have sheath damage after 3 years of use and abuse!None of that really matters. All it can take is one sharp edge or constriction one time to damage a rope like that. Manufacturer and age is irrelevant. |
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Hm. Sounds like I may be out of luck? Just curious, what does it take for the manufacturer to actually admit fault then. |
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I had the same rope, it just didn't last. Its not a manufacturing "fault" just a shitty rope. To send a rope back after you used it and tell them its a manufacturing defect is lame. Ropes get nicked, its what happens when you climb on rock. The rope looks fine, no core damage. If its a manufacturing defect you'll know when your rope breaks or the sheath slides off the rope. Chalk it up to oh shit that sucks and I need to be more vigilant when I climb, or do what I've done for the last 20 years and buy a new rope when that one wears out, and when the next one wears out, and the next one, and the next one. Good luck and if you don't want to use it, I'll pay for shipping and you can send it this way :) |
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Check out this older thread: |
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Some ropes are junk. I bought a Mammut Apex 10.5mm standard 60M rope a couple years back. I got it for a good price and thought it would be durable due to the diameter. Three of us rapped off the same three weekends in a row and I whipped on it once. The rope had a soft spot from the fall and two spots on the sheath were worn badly. I rappelled off the same spot with a Bluewater 10.2mm and not a scratch on the sheath. |
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will gladdly pick up the rope |
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Nothing wrong with your rope: it was sawed over an edge with lateral movement. |
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I can understand that it was a user error. Thanks for making that clear. Dan, teece, kurt, and anyone else who is more experienced, you'd feel comfortable using this rope again? |
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I'd have to see it in person, but I think yes. As long as most of the sheath there is still intact. |
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Up to you to decide. I probably would be fine with it. The below article contains links to various manufactors' guidelines. |
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I'm definitely not using that rope. That's all I would be thinking about while climbing.....ehhh |
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Steve Pisano wrote:Hm. Sounds like I may be out of luck? Just curious, what does it take for the manufacturer to actually admit fault then.Probably about the same thing that it takes for a user to actually admit fault. |
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Hard to say one way or the other Steve without seeing it in person. My general rule of thumb is that if it is a few snags it's OK. But if the sheath exposes a large portion of the core, or the core could have been cut, or there is a noticeable difference in the pliability of the core at a certain spot, it's time to retire the rope. Do you have a local gear shop in the area (not a big chain)? If so, you could take it in there to get a second opinion. |
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My primary rope atm has a ton of sheath damage to it, about 1.5 years old. I have an old rope that is like 5 years old with one single spot where the core is exposed. I use my old rope to still top rope / rappel because i am not worried about it and have put some protection around where it was exposed. |
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Dan G0D5H411 wrote:Check out this older thread: mountainproject.com/v/edelw… Never buying an Edelweiss again after my experience with them.There are a number of manufacturers that have had problems with this before: Petzl, Sterling, possibly Maxim, seemingly Edelweiss and maybe others. I am pretty confident the real underlying issue here is not the rope manufacturer but the nylon manufacturer. Rope manufacturers do not make the nylon, they buy it on large spools and there are a very limited number of companies in the world in which you can buy nylon on a spool. This would explain why multiple manufacturers are having identical issues with sheath degradation on very specific colors (red being the most common so far). The real annoying part is the unwillingness of some manufacturers to recognize this obvious higher-level defect. As far as the OP's rope goes, who knows if it's defective or not. I am guessing it's not. Most of the defective ropes I have seen degrade in multiple places with very little use. For what it's worth, I have owned 15 ropes from over 7 different companies, and only one lasted much less than expected. Most ropes are good, even if one particular model sucks. |
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whats up Steve, hope i didn't come off as a jerk, it wasn't my intent. I would have no issue using the rope if thats all that is wrong with it. Sheaths are going to get nicked sometimes but if there is no damage to the core its fine. the sheath just protects the core, so if the core is ok you should be all good. Hope that helps |