fixed rope at fin wall

nicelegs wrote: You haven't provided me an example yet.

How about this one?

nicelegs wrote:FWIW and this is relevant, desert rat 420 (anyone who calls themselves a desert rat, isn't) is correct. New routes and bolt replacement is usually pretty easy to do in a day. I've never found reason to leave a rope overnight other than a nasty knot (stuck does not equal fixed).

Isn't that what he, and everyone but you said earlier?

nicelegs wrote:I'm not going to go over my list of deeds. Sorry.

Nobody was asking, you're just rambling and patting yourself on the back because you are embarrassed that you are wrong. You exploded into the forum insulting everyone... now that you're wrong, your just patting yourself on the back, hilarious.

I thought he was patting me on the back for being right! Also, I've spent a fair amount of time in desert regions; living, climbing, and exploring, but I'm not going to go over my list of deeds, sorry.

Nicelegs is right, there are many potential 2nd pitches all over the Creek and I wouldn't pass the possibility of someone working on new lines. That being said, I met the guy this spring who was rope-soloing up routes in the Fin/Tooth area and also trust Adam's judgment.

To people bitching about keeping the desert clean - how many times you actually picked up other people's trash at the base of the crag? Or put some rocks over eroding shortcut herd paths? I have a clean-up project for you - there is an abandoned rope stuck on the rubble choss to the right of Sacred Cow/Twin Cam. It's been there for at least 2 years, how about taking it down?

doligo wrote:To people bitching about keeping the desert clean - how many times you actually picked up other people's trash at the base of the crag? Or put some rocks over eroding shortcut herd paths?

every single time I've climbed there, then again, I'm the type of dude who rounds up abandoned grocery carts from the King Soopers parking lot when I'm going in to shop, some might call that a cool move, I call it obsessive compulsive disorder

The Blueprint Part Dank wrote: Because it's an eyesore

My eyesight may be going bad in my old age (I do need my eyeglass prescription updated), but I walked by the rope in question three times without noticing it. Granted, I was walking over to a different route (and then back to our original staging area to get a bit more gear) so the route on which it was fixed was not on my radar. I finally saw it after a friend pointed it out.

Dude who just got all his gear stolen probably owns it, he was camped out below the wall. Give it back to him so he can wrap up in it and sleep at night, he's got nothing else!

See the Lost & Found forum.

Dave Holliday wrote: My eyesight may be going bad in my old age (I do need my eyeglass prescription updated), but I walked by the rope in question three times without noticing it. Granted, I was walking over to a different route (and then back to our original staging area to get a bit more gear) so the route on which it was fixed was not on my radar. I finally saw it after a friend pointed it out.

Maybe you aren't noticing it, but someone is. This isn't the end of the world, but I simply don't see anything wrong with the OP removing an abandoned rope after a couple of weeks, especially given that he made an effort to get the rope back to the owner.

If someone's re-bolting a route or working on an FA and want to leave a rope up for a while, would it kill them to leave a note attached to the bottom (either laminated paper or just some scratch paper in a plastic baggie) explaining what's going on?

I really had not thought of fixed lines being used for route development. Given that, perhaps we should all think twice about removing them?

Route developers: Consider leaving a little note attached to your ropes saying something about what it is for.

Stich wrote:I really had not thought of fixed lines being used for route development. Given that, perhaps we should all think twice about removing them? Route developers: Consider leaving a little note attached to your ropes saying something about what it is for.

yes

Rob Dillon wrote:Dude who just got all his gear stolen probably owns it, he was camped out below the wall. Give it back to him so he can wrap up in it and sleep at night, he's got nothing else! See the Lost & Found forum.

My man! That's what I'm talkin bout, Rob.