Part time job at Rock and Resole

cragman2 wrote: I would hope the OP posted a sub-minimum-wage as the result of a typo, as you suggested when it was first posted. If they intentionally offered less than minimum, I would agree that that is pretty scummy.

I think it is pretty clear from RnR's second post that the original post's offer for less than minimun wage was not a typo...they just didn't know the minimum wage in Colorado. Not as bad as intentionally offering less than minimum, but not exactly best practices for a business.

Xam wrote: I think it is pretty clear from RnR's second post that the original post's offer for less than minimun wage was not a typo...they just didn't know the minimum wage in Colorado. Not as bad as intentionally offering less than minimum, but not exactly best practices for a business.

Well, that's good to know that it was not intentional. I've met the shop owner in the past and he is a nice guy. Seemed a little disorganized but a decent guy. I'm sure it was an honest mistake but seems like a business owner should at least know what minimum wage is. It was corrected at any rate.

For what it's worth. I've had multiple pairs of shoes resoled and rand repaired and they do an excellent job. The staff are climbers. If the kid works it, maybe the folks in the shop could even take the kid out for some climbing in Eldo. That experience alone may be worth more than the 8.25/hr.

I worked for $7.15/hour at a Domino's and $7.00/hour at a hockey rink when I was in high school. I would have killed for a gig like this. My wife and I have had probably 10-15 resoles/rand repairs done on various shoes over the years from Rock and Resole and every single one has been top notch. I once ventured out and tried the Rubber Room because we were in Bishop and I was unhappy with the product. These guys know their stuff and do good work, I think it is admirable that they reach out to folks that frankly might not have a clue to pass on the knowledge of this obviously tricky craft.

857-6309

J Marsella wrote:BUT DOES ANYONE HAVE THE NUMBER FOR ROCK AND RESOLE?!?!?

What the hell does that have to do with the economy or economic equality?

Stagg54 wrote: You're missing the point. Under option A everything is voluntary. If you don't like what they are paying you then you don't have to work there!

I'm sure that will work out well. Not likely companies will collude to fix wages and prevent competition in the hiring market? Maybe in a third world country, but not in the US - right? If that happens the workers can unionize and we'll go through all the struggles again on working days and fair wages... Should be fun.

Tony B wrote:857-6309

You have BLASPHEEMED the Tommy Twotone!!!

8675- 3 oh niiieeeeiiiine...

get it straight ;)

MojoMonkey wrote: I'm sure that will work out well. Not likely companies will collude to fix wages and prevent competition in the hiring market? Maybe in a third world country, but not in the US - right? If that happens the workers can unionize and we'll go through all the struggles again on working days and fair wages... Should be fun.

Thanks for getting this discussion back on track and not prattling along about some job for a teenager...

Bill Kirby wrote: I read something different I guess. Andrew sounds like a kid who pulled himself up by his boot straps and now excepts everyone else to do that. He did beat his chest a little but hey, it's MP. People need to be held accountable. I watched too many take advantage of the two year unemployment back in 2009. I would pay extra taxes if the government could take care of everyone. That's never going to happen. People who can need to take care of themselves. If we as a society could make that so, the government and private charities could focus on the ones who really need help.

Actually, if you read his post, he wants his lifestyle protected so he doesn't need to find a different job, or shop his talents around to see if he can make more but potentially (and he said he saw this potential) be less happy. Drive more, work with assholes.

Unfortunately, the US wages are stagnant for a few reasons. People can't afford to leave their benefits (cobra is freakin expensive, so you better be getting a big raise and quick benefits if you have a family), they are stuck in their mortgages (selling a house isn't always quick, easy and profitable), and fear of losing stability.

Most Americans work to pay off a car they use to drive to a job that keeps them from enjoying the house they are paying off. Some people realize that impacts your free time and enjoyment of life and choose to make a little less at a job they like with flexibility they want. Andrewww seems like that sort of guy. Kudos to him.

J Marsella wrote:BUT DOES ANYONE HAVE THE NUMBER FOR ROCK AND RESOLE?!?!?

LMAO!!!

Well this thread really blew up! I haven't seen much political talk on this forum so far. But that's not a bad thing.

For what it's worth, the mythbuster link about minimum wage (regardless of whether the info is accurate or not, and I don't care) did not say - "Myth: Raising the minimum wage causes inflation." - which I find troubling, but also understandable, as I don't think that one IS a myth. It seems to me that raising the minimum wage has a ripple effect going up the pay grades, which results in the cost of products and service going up, which IS inflation. Then those earning minimum wage can't afford to live at a standard our society has decided is the acceptable minimum. So we increase minimum wage again, which causes inflation. Vicious cycle. But then a lot of illegals seem to be able to live on less than minimum wage, which is true in many, many other countries.

I don't know what the answer is, but I don't think raising the minimum wage without some way to prevent the inflation (as I'm of the understanding that the gold standard once did) will change anything. Well maybe one thing; the middle class financially suffer whenever this happens.

We live in a country with pay disparities. On the other hand, we live in a country where working hard, working smart, applying yourself, and striving to do better, can and often does get you more money. Yet it seems nothing is ever good enough. Human nature.

I think the phone number for Rock and Resole is buried somewhere in this thread:

mountainproject.com/v/phone…

Mathias wrote: On the other hand, we live in a country where working hard... can and often does get you more money.

Meh, not really. Sometimes. Ask a teacher or a private in Iraq. I know system engineers that get paid $150k and sit around on their ass on Facebook all day waiting for something to break. I also know dudes that work in 115 degree Vegas heat building infrastructure for only $13 an hour. I have seen E2 privates earn the purple heart after suffering life-altering battle injuries. An E2 makes $1700 a month in basic pay, less taxes.

Sorry bro, but very rarely do the highest paying jobs pay so much because the workers work so enormously harder than everyone else. In fact, the highest paying jobs often contribute the least to society. If pay reflected job importance and it's reflectance on society, teachers, laborers and health care workers would make as much as CEOs, and investment portfolio managers would make minimum wage.

20 kN wrote: Meh, not really. Sometimes. Ask a teacher or a private in Iraq. I know system engineers that get paid $150k and sit around on their ass on Facebook all day waiting for something to break. I also know dudes that work in 115 degree Vegas heat building infrastructure for only $13 an hour. I have seen E2 privates earn the purple heart after suffering life-altering battle injuries. An E2 makes $1700 a month in basic pay, less taxes. Sorry bro, but very rarely do the highest paying jobs pay so much because the workers work so enormously harder than everyone else. In fact, the highest paying jobs often contribute the least to society. If pay reflected job importance and it's reflectance on society, teachers, laborers and health care workers would make as much as CEOs, and investment portfolio managers would make minimum wage.

How much people get paid is based one more than just how hard they work. It's based on value. In the case of the system engineer versus the Vegas HVAC guy, it has to do with skill and the scarcity of that skill. The engineer typically has way more specialized education, whereas HVAC work does not require as much knowledge. If the HVAC guy quit, he would probably be pretty easy to replace. The systems engineer, not so easy to replace. Hence the work the engineer does is more valuable.

How much you get paid is based on the value you provide. Right or wrong, our society seems to value entertainers (sports stars, actors, musicians, etc) more than it values teachers, soldiers and blue collar workers. Just think about it: most Americans have no problem spending money on cable tv, sporting events, concert tickets, etc. yet complain the second taxes are raised to pay for civil servants. Unfortunately society doesn't value what they do.

That being said. All other things being equal, the harder you work, the more you get paid, because you are more valuable. An HVAC guy who fixes 10 AC units a day probably gets paid more than one who fixes 5, even though he still may not make as much as the systems engineer. IF the HVAC guy still doesn't like how much he is making or what he is doing, he can always pick a different career. That is to say you always have some control over your career and income.

We need to stop with this victim bullshit in our country. There is plenty of opportunity if you are willing to get off your ass and sieze it. If you just accept the status quo and bemoan your victimhood, well that's where you'll stay.

MojoMonkey wrote: I'm sure that will work out well. Not likely companies will collude to fix wages and prevent competition in the hiring market? Maybe in a third world country, but not in the US - right? If that happens the workers can unionize and we'll go through all the struggles again on working days and fair wages... Should be fun.

You want to be a victim of the man of the rest of your life, then I guess that is your choice...

Stagg for president!

The more people who accept being victims gives greater opportunity for those of us who don't.

20 kN wrote: Meh, not really. Sometimes. Ask a teacher or a private in Iraq. I know system engineers that get paid $150k and sit around on their ass on Facebook all day waiting for something to break. I also know dudes that work in 115 degree Vegas heat building infrastructure for only $13 an hour. I have seen E2 privates earn the purple heart after suffering life-altering battle injuries. An E2 makes $1700 a month in basic pay, less taxes. Sorry bro, but very rarely do the highest paying jobs pay so much because the workers work so enormously harder than everyone else. In fact, the highest paying jobs often contribute the least to society. If pay reflected job importance and it's reflectance on society, teachers, laborers and health care workers would make as much as CEOs, and investment portfolio managers would make minimum wage.

I'd prefer it, if you'd quote an entire sentence to argue with, and not just part of it. Here it is:

Mathias wrote:We live in a country with pay disparities. On the other hand, we live in a country where working hard, working smart, applying yourself, and striving to do better, can and often does get you more money.

Would you like to try again?

If you take a government job, you get paid what you get paid. A military career has never been about making money. But an E2 gets paid more than an E1, right? How does a person get from E1 to E2? I wasn't arguing that the highest paying jobs are harder.

And I don't have time for more as I have to get to MY job...

Hey J.Serpico, I have considered it, going somewhere further down the road to make more, hell, I took a trip to Denver and stopped into the Honda dealership and was pretty much hired on the spot, just had some things with an ex fall through and couldn't make it work. But in all honesty if I make any job move it will be out of the automotive industry. The entire industry is going downhill. New car sales make very little profit anymore with everyone shopping the internet, makes it far easier to get a second, third, fourth price without the need to go spend an afternoon at a dealership, and the service side which I work in is getting really hard to make hours/money anymore. People want it for less, not that I blame anyone, we all want to save a buck, myself included.

When I started in the industry a decade ago work was abundant. Work trailing off in the winter was normal but you always knew the summer months brought it all back. Though since the recession things have steadily gone down, and we haven't seen the summers come back like they used to.

I personally am burned out with it and I am trying to decide what my next career option will be. Maybe I'll do something to put my Fine Arts degree to work, or go back and take night classes for something in business or marketing and get a job in the outdoor industry. But I will say that the skills I acquired are invaluable.

J Marsella wrote:Tony I tried to call but some chick named Jessy or Jennifer or something keeps answering???!

Keep trying, and hope she doesn't change the number.

First: I’ve always had a great rapport with R&R. — They do a very good job with a quick turnaround, foresee problems and ask questions before delving into a job, and are very considerate of my special requests.

Second: Not all jobs are suitable for high wages. What is missing in these discussions is that every job is training for your next position, and that we learn skills and improve our worth to employers (or society if self-employed) as we gain knowledge. The experience gained is not always technical or directly applicable to a career, and is often simply related to business and organizations. Some jobs are simply entry level and an opportunity to begin that development.