Crampon marks on a classic popular slab climb. Not cool.

I will not mention the area or the name of the route. It's very obvious to the locals I'm sure. How does that happen?

Why conceal the name of the area or route? You would just be reporting an observation.

Wait, did you sing that Billy Bragg and Wilco Walt Whitman's Niece song?

No, it's just HELLANOR AGAIN. Imagine that.

Hellanor? Is that you?

Those marks aren't from crampons they're from walking sticks.

First flatiron, I've seen'em. Agree it's not cool. Isn't there something a little less contrived to get on?

I heard that they used to make tools for killing people out of rocks. Could you imagine that?

tim wrote:First flatiron, I've seen'em. Agree it's not cool. Isn't there something a little less contrived to get on?

Is this the Standard East Face or around Silk Road? Big difference and the first flatiron encompasses a lot of terrain. Silk Road is a thin ice climb (on good days) so crampon scrapes would be understandable. Up the standard east face would mean someone just decided to dry tool it, in which case that would just be stupid.

They are from ski edges and poles.

mountainproject.com/v/first…

TheBirdman wrote: Is this the Standard East Face or around Silk Road? Big difference and the first flatiron encompasses a lot of terrain. Silk Road is a thin ice climb (on good days) so crampon scrapes would be understandable. Up the standard east face would mean someone just decided to dry tool it, in which case that would just be stupid.

Unfortunately somebody decided to continue up N Arete towards the summit. Lots of pretty noticable scratches when I was up there a few days ago. Pretty lame as it's just snow over low angle rock once you're out of the Silk Road gully and not worth climbing IMO.

TheBirdman wrote: Is this the Standard East Face or around Silk Road? Big difference and the first flatiron encompasses a lot of terrain. Silk Road is a thin ice climb (on good days) so crampon scrapes would be understandable. Up the standard east face would mean someone just decided to dry tool it, in which case that would just be stupid.

Direct east face, I've probably climbed it a couple hundred times, so new scratches stick out to me like a sore thumb.

Stich wrote:Why conceal the name of the area or route? You would just be reporting an observation. Wait, did you sing that Billy Bragg and Wilco Walt Whitman's Niece song? No, it's just HELLANOR AGAIN. Imagine that.

One of the more interesting projects I've heard. Did you happen to catch the documentary that explained how Mermaid Avenue came to be? Every song came from a book of poems penned by Woodie Guthrie that weren't discovered till after his death. Worth watching if you didn't catch it.

Craig Childre wrote: One of the more interesting projects I've heard. Did you happen to catch the documentary that explained how Mermaid Avenue came to be? Every song came from a book of poems penned by Woodie Guthrie that weren't discovered till after his death. Worth watching if you didn't catch it.

I thought that the poems were known about by Billy Bragg but weren't retrieved until after his death. Great documentary, called the Man in the Sand (if I recall)

Craig Childre wrote: One of the more interesting projects I've heard. Did you happen to catch the documentary that explained how Mermaid Avenue came to be? Every song came from a book of poems penned by Woodie Guthrie that weren't discovered till after his death. Worth watching if you didn't catch it.

No, didn't see the documentary. Wow, so they came up with the music all on their own. Very cool album.