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J. Albers · · Colorado · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 1,926
Stagg54 wrote: You can think whatever you want, but last time I checked your opinion didn't affect how much anyone gets paid. The market does... Want more? Produce more, serve people better, market yourself better, etc.
Hah hah hah....that is laughable man. I love it, the ol' "invisible hand of the market" schtick. Actually, the CEO's and their board members (who are mostly in an equivalent economic bracket) set their OWN wages. The "market" doesn't define how much a CEO makes. If it did, then AIG's genius CEO during the 2008 debacle would not have walked away with literally hundreds of millions in compensation while the ship he was captain of went down in flames. The market. Nice.
Tony B · · Around Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 24,665
R. Moran wrote:Especially when corporate welfare far exceeds anything Joe public gets.
I don't think you've actually looked into the federal budget then.
I am 100% against any corporate welfare (which of course IS a government interference with the market), but your primary idea here is incorrect anyway. Spending on social programs far exceeds any corporate welfare. In fact, it exceeds the amount of money collected in income taxes! (Which is only < 50% of the budget income.) Sooo... Social programs cost more than the income taxes generate, if you want to look at it that way.
Tony B · · Around Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 24,665
christopher adams wrote: B sounds perfect to me. The third world operates under A. That clearly works well for them.
Have you ever been to the 3rd world? In much of it the government deflates the wage intentionally to keep labor cheap so that they can profit off of the backs of the workers. (Full disclosure: I have worked in Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand and China) What do you think the Red Shirt/Yellow Shirt conflict in Thailand is actually about?

And in some the world the government sets a wage/benefits/retirement that nobody can/will pay, and there are no jobs. I mean, Greece is doing great, right? And Spain? That's B for you if you want to play that sort of game with things.

christopher adams wrote: Relevance to rock and resole = None. Relevance to all of the general neoconservative posting about the importance of the minimum wage? 100%..
CEO wages have very little to do with the economy, actually. There are too few of them to matter. Take every dime they make and distribute it around the world and folks will all get maybe a few bucks. Not making anyone rich that way.
Again, I'm not terribly in favor of the golden parachutes and all, but I am saying that it's really not that relevant to anything other than someone's sense of justice.
If I got "my share" of my CEO's earnings it would be well under 1% of my salary. No real difference. This is probably more true for Fortune 500 companies than for small ones. If the average worker makes $40k and the CEO makes $6M (150:0) but he has 40k people in the company...
Stock deals are were it is all hidden at anyway, not salary.

Regardless, I thought this was about R&R. And I know the owner isn't getting rich. Maybe the guys currently resoling shoes won't have to keep interrupting their work between 4PM-6PM to go work the register and find inventory.
Bill Kirby · · Keene New York · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 480
christopher adams wrote: B sounds perfect to me. The third world operates under A. That clearly works well for them.
My last post of the day.. Didn't know there's a limit.

B does work well in the third world. Thats so bad right? You can't stand the injustice right? But.. You want that $20 shirt, that $10 pair of pants maybe that $700 60" TV? I know maybe it's bananas. I know you like those 69 cent/ lb bananas. No no wait.. How bout that $25 soap box you got from Target? If only the government would raise wages I could buy local. Here's a cheat sheet for you.. You would just buy a bigger TV or more shit you don't need.

I'm going to sum it like this. Some of us live in the United States and some of us live in fantasyland
R. Moran · · Moab , UT · Joined Mar 2009 · Points: 140
Tony B wrote: I don't think you've actually looked into the federal budget then. I am 100% against any corporate welfare (which of course IS a government interference with the market), but your primary idea here is incorrect anyway. Spending on social programs far exceeds any corporate welfare. In fact, it exceeds the amount of money collected in income taxes! (Which is only < 50% of the budget income.) Sooo... Social programs cost more than the income taxes generate, if you want to look at it that way.
U need to do some research and support your argument better. I'm not wrong 59 billion spent on traditional social welfare vs. 92 billion spent on corporate subsidies. 33 billion more for the corporations than the people. google.com/url?sa=t&source=…
Altered Ego · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 0

We are all debt slaves, no one has a choice about working. We are forced to rent our lives for wages in order to pay bills. Education, training, and experience don’t mean shit compared to necessity. The most important jobs are ones that need to be done, which should be worth the most.

What would happen if there was a maximum wage instead of minimum. How would that affect the economy? Nobody needs to make more than like $50 an hour to live more than comfortably anyway so why not start there. Why set the standard based on how little ones’ life is valued. Because that’s what we are saying as a society, your life is not worth enough to maintain your own life unless you have a “skill”.

Capitalism is a religion and it is used in the same way to control people. The reality is that if people got paid fairly for work or their resources we would not be able to afford most of the things we buy. People need to understand that. Everything should be way more expensive than it is. The unreasonably low prices we see reflect a variety of highly illegal and immoral business practices.

People are surprised by how much local organic food costs but those farmers aren’t getting rich, they are doing you a service. Stop being so fucking cheap and pay people what they are worth or don’t buy anything. We think government needs to step in and regulate corporations from unethical practices but it is all of us that knowingly buy goods made by slave labor. Charities and welfare programs exist because we create the need for them through our own individualistic social negligence, ignorance, and greed.

So fuck yeah resoles should cost more and I'd gladly pay more because that's how I'd want to be treated, like my life and what I was offering the world was worth something.

Mark E Dixon · · Possunt, nec posse videntur · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 974
Adam Burch wrote: You'd be surprised. I heard Locker was looking at a gently-used Lambo this past weekend...
How much are you asking to fight Locker too?
Stagg54 Taggart · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2006 · Points: 10
Long Duk Dong wrote:We are all debt slaves, no one has a choice about working. We are forced to rent our lives for wages in order to pay bills. Education, training, and experience don’t mean shit compared to necessity. The most important jobs are ones that need to be done, which should be worth the most.
It must suck to live in your world!
Glenn Schuler · · Monument, Co. · Joined Jun 2006 · Points: 1,330
Long Duk Dong wrote:We are all debt slaves, no one has a choice about working. We are forced to rent our lives for wages in order to pay bills. Education, training, and experience don’t mean shit compared to necessity. The most important jobs are ones that need to be done, which should be worth the most. What would happen if there was a maximum wage instead of minimum. How would that affect the economy? Nobody needs to make more than like $50 an hour to live more than comfortably anyway so why not start there. Why set the standard based on how little ones’ life is valued. Because that’s what we are saying as a society, your life is not worth enough to maintain your own life unless you have a “skill”. Capitalism is a religion and it is used in the same way to control people. The reality is that if people got paid fairly for work or their resources we would not be able to afford most of the things we buy. People need to understand that. Everything should be way more expensive than it is. The unreasonably low prices we see reflect a variety of highly illegal and immoral business practices. People are surprised by how much local organic food costs but those farmers aren’t getting rich, they are doing you a service. Stop being so fucking cheap and pay people what they are worth or don’t buy anything. We think government needs to step in and regulate corporations from unethical practices but it is all of us that knowingly buy goods made by slave labor. Charities and welfare programs exist because we create the need for them through our own individualistic social negligence, ignorance, and greed. So fuck yeah resoles should cost more and I'd gladly pay more because that's how I'd want to be treated, like my life and what I was offering the world was worth something.
Our resident MP hippie has been waiting all week for a thread like this so he can jump up on that huge soapbox. Do you even lift bro?
Stagg54 Taggart · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2006 · Points: 10
christopher adams wrote: B sounds perfect to me. The third world operates under A. That clearly works well for them.
You're missing the point. Under option A everything is voluntary. If you don't like what they are paying you then you don't have to work there!
Stagg54 Taggart · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2006 · Points: 10
Glenn Schuler wrote: Our resident MP hippie has been waiting all week for a thread like this so he can jump up on that huge soapbox. Do you even lift bro?
If my worldview was that bleak I'd probably have to smoke a lot of weed too to stop from killing myself.
Kowboy · · Washington · Joined Feb 2009 · Points: 0

We are all debt slaves, no one has a choice about working. We are forced to rent our lives for wages in order to pay bills. Education, training, and experience don’t mean shit compared to necessity.

I think this is the problem with America - we all think that our FICO score is relevant and that we have to live on credit. If we all went back to paying cash FOR EVERYTHING this whole conversation would go away. No Debt = No Slavery. You're Great Grandparents knew the truth...

K Weber · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2011 · Points: 15

Department of Labor - Minimum Wage Mythbusters

dol.gov/minwage/mythbuster.htm

Please bone up on some facts before spouting more uneducated opinions.

Clifton Santiago · · Denver, CO · Joined Apr 2010 · Points: 0

The problem with America is the left's message is having enough is not enough because so many have so much more.

The right's message is having more than enough is not enough because there is so much more that could be had.

The real question is how much is enough? By any reasonable metric, even poor Americans are among not only the richest people in the world, but of all time.

Also, by any reasonable metric, the richest Americans are, well...

How much is enough for a good life?

Clifton Santiago · · Denver, CO · Joined Apr 2010 · Points: 0
K Weber wrote:Department of Labor - Minimum Wage Mythbusters dol.gov/minwage/mythbuster.htm Please bone up on some facts before spouting more uneducated opinions.
These are statistics and anecdotal examples, not really facts.

That leading economists sign on for the minimum wage increase is no surprise- economists have always been behind politically fashionable ideas.

Of course the government wants a higher minimum wage- more taxes!

Arguing the "factual economic benefits" of anything is akin to voodoo, historically. Why isn't anyone championing the base morality of a higher minimum wage?
Tronald Dump · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2013 · Points: 10

Too bad poor(all) americans are ego driven idiots who feel that things like having 100 children, owning smart phones, cable + flat screen TV's, owning cars, and getting wasted are necessities and far more important than having experiences in life. 99% of the people here are a bunch of whiners crying gimme gimme gimme because they lacked the intelligence to make decent decisions and keep themselves from getting brainwashed by simple ego appealing advertising. If you don't have children you can't afford, dont go into debt for shit you cant afford etc...... then you can live like a fucking king of off $15/hr.

Tony B · · Around Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 24,665
R. Moran wrote: U need to do some research and support your argument better. I'm not wrong 59 billion spent on traditional social welfare vs. 92 billion spent on corporate subsidies. 33 billion more for the corporations than the people.
I need to do more research? Are you entirely serious?

You are wrong by at least a factor of 4, and that's just from the sources listed in the article you posted (dated 2006). Or perhaps by about a factor of 20 if you want to stretch the game in the other direction.

SNAP alone($78B) exceeds the number you are quoting for all traditional welfare by $19B. WIC (what we call SNAP when we don't want to call it SNAP) adds $7B. I don't even know what the TEFAP budget is. (When we don't want to call it SNAP or WIC). HUD is another $46B.
SNAP/WIC/HUD are $131B alone.
TANF comes in at $17B more for a total of $148B.
Then there is EITC ($56B), and we are now well over $200B.
The there are GEAR, IHS, HOPWA, HOME, RRAP, REAP, TRIO, SBP, SLP, Section 8, Headstart, LIHEAP, etc...
Don't even mention Medicaid ($400B, but admittedly only 2/3 of that is federal spending).

I think they got you on the "traditional welfare" line. Perhaps what they meant by "traditional welfare" is 'something we didn't add in the last 50 years.' But these cash, voucher, and direct-pay programs distribute money based on mean-tested criteria are all certainly social programs, and all certainly income redistribution.

I'm not enamored of the source to follow here, and do not endorse all of the data. I place it here to show what you can make it look like on the other side:
"The total amount spent on these 80-plus federal welfare programs amounts to roughly $1.03 trillion. Importantly, these figures solely refer to means-tested welfare benefits. They exclude entitlement programs to which people contribute (e.g., Social Security and Medicare)."
budget.senate.gov/republica…

So I am on your side when it comes to being anti-corporate welfare. And what they SHOULD count, but don't, are things like the joint strike fighter (F35 Lightning II), but I'm not drinking the kool-aid with the numbers you have provided.
Raul P · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2013 · Points: 35

This is all an elaborate troll.... Right? Or do people really think an unskilled high school job is worth more than $8.25?

TKeagle · · Eagle, CO · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 79

Jeeez - 4 pages of crazy talk when all R&R is looking for is some part time help?
Only in Boulder !

Should have posted for help in Auto-trader !

cragmantoo · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 175
Raul P wrote:This is all an elaborate troll.... Right? Or do people really think an unskilled high school job is worth more than $8.25?
Sadly, it was a legitimate job offer for a part time job for a high school kid that, in typical MP fashion, rapidly spun out of control and became a series of rants about things that are vaguely, if at all, related.

Most of the posters are NOT from Boulder, by the way...
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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