Part time job at Rock and Resole

cragman2 wrote: I would hope the OP posted a sub-minimum-wage as the result of a typo, as you suggested when it was first posted. If they intentionally offered less than minimum, I would agree that that is pretty scummy. That said- yes, I think this thread is pretty funny in how it morphed from a job offer into a heated political discussion, complete with name calling and general venom. I especially liked the post of someone offering to fight the owner and another guy for $13.75/hour. Classic MP thread....

Keep in mind, cragman - it's at the same time, and that includes if he decides that the work volume requires two additional hires. We may need to look into a small benefits package for me at the point, or perhaps renegotiate the hourly wage. I'm really tough (never lost a fight on the west coast/take my shirt off for intimidation) so I feel this is a fair wage to ask for small shoe repair shop employee fighting.

I'm really tough.

Adam Burch wrote: Keep in mind, cragman - it's at the same time, and that includes if he decides that the work volume requires two additional hires. We may need to look into a small benefits package for me at the point, or perhaps renegotiate the hourly wage. I'm really tough (never lost a fight on the west coast/take my shirt off for intimidation) so I feel this is a fair wage to ask for small shoe repair shop employee fighting. I'm really tough.

Yeah. Kick that guy's ass for offering some poor kid a sub-minimum wage! Serves him right.

Or at least, take your shirt off and intimidate him. Grrrr!!

LOL.

Josh Kornish wrote:For me it's kind of a bummer to know that if you could pay your workers less, you would. I don't want that type of unappreciated labor working on my shoes

There is the option of paying $80 for a 1/2 sole, I suppose, to make sure that the person at the register and the person doing the resole gets $30/hour.
Perhaps it is a business model that you would find sustainable and rival all those shops out there paying less...

Jim Turner wrote:if burger flippers pay went from $8 to $12, the dollar burger would only need to increase from $1 up to about $1.25

Your math is excellent... if you presume that those burgers are sold on a cost basis and not as a draw item, and also that 50% of the cost of a burger is labor.

But I'm not here to nit-pick about that, really. I'm here to point out the farce of you correcting/educating other people on economics with invalid numbers.

Bill Kirby wrote: What's enough? What's reasonable?

You want to talk about 'reasonable'?

You tell me- you think CEO pay is reasonable? I don't. They shouldn't get paid >150 times what their median employee makes. They certainly don't do 150 times the work.

You want to talk about 'enough'?

How about 'enough' to buy a cheap fixer-upper house in the market you live in?

How about 'enough' for the American Dream (tm)?

I don't think it's fair that the top 1% actively work and lobby to prevent the rest of Americans from doing well.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execu…

Bill Kirby wrote: Plattsburgh Shoe Hospital 518-561-2580. Tell Mark Wild Bill said hello.

Just a plus one for Plattsburgh Shoe Hospital. Mark is great and the work I got from them on my 5.10 Quantums was stellar. The resole has lasted longer than the original rubber.

christopher adams wrote: You want to talk about 'reasonable'? You tell me- you think CEO pay is reasonable? I don't. They shouldn't get paid >150 times what their median employee makes. They certainly don't do 150 times the work. You want to talk about 'enough'? How about 'enough' to buy a cheap fixer-upper house in the market you live in? How about 'enough' for the American Dream (tm)? I don't think it's fair that the top 1% actively work and lobby to prevent the rest of Americans from doing well. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execu…

BTW... I am Goddamned sure that the "CEO" (owner) of Rock and Resole is not making a ridiculous wage, and most certainly not 150x teh median employee or the minimum wage.
So what is the relevance here?

Tony B wrote: BTW... I am Goddamned sure that the "CEO" (owner) of Rock and Resole is not making a ridiculous wage, and most certainly not 150x teh median employee or the minimum wage. So what is the relevance here?

You'd be surprised.

I heard Locker was looking at a gently-used Lambo this past weekend...

Adam Burch wrote: You'd be surprised. I heard Locker was looking at a gently-used Lambo this past weekend...

Yeah, you should kick that guys ass for buying a Lambo and paying kids slave wages for doing all the work....

Tony B wrote: BTW... I am Goddamned sure that the "CEO" (owner) of Rock and Resole is not making a ridiculous wage, and most certainly not 150x teh median employee or the minimum wage. So what is the relevance here?

Relevance to rock and resole = None. Relevance to all of the general neoconservative posting about the importance of the minimum wage? 100%..

christopher adams wrote: You want to talk about 'reasonable'? You tell me- you think CEO pay is reasonable? I don't. They shouldn't get paid >150 times what their median employee makes. They certainly don't do 150 times the work. You want to talk about 'enough'? How about 'enough' to buy a cheap fixer-upper house in the market you live in? How about 'enough' for the American Dream (tm)? I don't think it's fair that the top 1% actively work and lobby to prevent the rest of Americans from doing well. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execu…

Yes. If the board don't say shit, the stock holders don't flip out and stock price goes up I don't see a problem. The first thing happens when the company loses money and the stock drops is the board puts the CEO on the chopping block. You do know the CEO just doesn't make up a number and that's it right?

A fixer upper? How bout a turnkey? How bout a car? No one should have to ride the bus. How bout one that doesn't break down? How bout a car for my 16 year old?

The American Dream is fucking joke. The only thing Americans care about is themselves.

I don't think life is fair. I thank God every morning I have the luck, the opportunity and the intelligence to live a great life.

Bill Kirby wrote: Yes. If the board don't say shit, the stock holders don't flip out and stock price goes up I don't see a problem. The first thing happens when the company loses money and the stock drops is the board puts the CEO on the chopping block.

Well, no, that's not usually what happens first. First, they will usually seek to limit costs by laying off workers or reducing or eliminating benefits. If those and other measures don't work, the company may negotiate terminating the CEO, who will often have a substantial golden parachute that is often irrelevant to actual performance. So, if compensation is supposed to be tied to performance then, yes, the performance basis for that compensation it is pretty imaginary.

I don't get the typical conservative disconnect between arguing that raising the minimum wage will kill the American Dream but that executive compensation is no big deal.

Especially when corporate welfare far exceeds anything Joe public gets.

Tony B wrote: Your math is excellent... if you presume that those burgers are sold on a cost basis and not as a draw item, and also that 50% of the cost of a burger is labor. But I'm not here to nit-pick about that, really. I'm here to point out the farce of you correcting/educating other people on economics with invalid numbers.

I was just poking fun at somebody's joke that the dollar menu would become the five dollar menu just because minimum wage was increased by a few bucks.

christopher adams wrote: You want to talk about 'reasonable'? You tell me- you think CEO pay is reasonable? I don't. They shouldn't get paid >150 times what their median employee makes. They certainly don't do 150 times the work. You want to talk about 'enough'? How about 'enough' to buy a cheap fixer-upper house in the market you live in? How about 'enough' for the American Dream (tm)? I don't think it's fair that the top 1% actively work and lobby to prevent the rest of Americans from doing well. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execu…

That is a very ignorant statement.

who gets to decide what is enough? you? me? Kirby? who?

what is enough? $5 more than you make? $10?

who is to say you don't make too much? perhaps you don't deserve what you make?

You can think whatever you want, but last time I checked your opinion didn't affect how much anyone gets paid. The market does... Want more? Produce more, serve people better, market yourself better, etc.

Fat Dad wrote: Well, no, that's not usually what happens first. First, they will usually seek to limit costs by laying off workers or reducing or eliminating benefits. If those and other measures don't work, the company may negotiate terminating the CEO, who will often have a substantial golden parachute that is often irrelevant to actual performance. So, if compensation is supposed to be tied to performance then, yes, the performance basis for that compensation it is pretty imaginary. I don't get the typical conservative disconnect between arguing that raising the minimum wage will kill the American Dream but that executive compensation is no big deal.

Watch any business report on a Fortune 500 losing money. The first thing may not be firing the CEO but putting him on choping block. When I say that I mean there's talk of when and if the CEO will get fired.

The difference is government doesn't tell business what to pay the CEO. If anything the government puts a cap on a CEOs salary. Free market at work? Minimum wage is messing with the system.. Regulation hinders growth in a capitalist market.

Jim Turner wrote: I was just poking fun at somebody's joke that the dollar menu would become the five dollar menu just because minimum wage was increased by a few bucks.

Dollar ice cream sundae... Mmmmmmm

Jim Turner wrote: I was just poking fun at somebody's joke that the dollar menu would become the five dollar menu just because minimum wage was increased by a few bucks.

Do you honestly think that you can increase the cost of labor to produce a burger and not increase the cost of the burger? What happens to that extra cost? Who eats it? Does McDonalds eat it? should they eat it just to make you feel better?

christopher adams wrote: You want to talk about 'reasonable'?

Let's talk reasonable - which of the following two situations sounds reasonable:

a. A company needs to hire somebody. They determine how much they would be willing to pay someone. They find someone who voluntarily agrees to work for that amount. No force involved. Completely voluntary agreement.

b. A company needs to hire somebody. They determine how much they would be willing to pay someone. Government comes in and says no - that's not enough, you must pay x (with of course, the threat of force if the company does not cooperate).

Stagg54 wrote: Let's talk reasonable - which of the following two situations sounds reasonable: a. A company needs to hire somebody. They determine how much they would be willing to pay someone. They find someone who voluntarily agrees to work for that amount. No force involved. Completely voluntary agreement. b. A company needs to hire somebody. They determine how much they would be willing to pay someone. Government comes in and says no - that's not enough, you must pay x (with of course, the threat of force if the company does not cooperate).

B sounds perfect to me.

The third world operates under A. That clearly works well for them.