Part time job at Rock and Resole

J. Albers wrote: Wow. Your level of ignorance on economics and what it means to live on minimum wage is astounding. And don't try to talk to me about how ones amount of education/slash skill set should be commiserate with their pay because then I should be making a whole hell of lot more than I do. However, instead of whining like a little spoiled child about my lack of pay compared to a grocery checker, I would prefer that I make a decent wage and at the same time pay the clerk at Target enough to feed herself and her kids. And if you think that is Marxism, then you clearly don't know what that philosophy entails or means. But really, please continue on spouting off like a self-righteous know-it-all that has zero compassion or empathy for those with different and perhaps more difficult life circumstances than you because it makes you sound like a real prince among men....wait no, it makes you sound like an ignorant d-bag.

Name calling! That's what I enjoy about conversating about politics. Let's not listen to another point of view and discuss our differences like adults. Let's beat our chests and talk shit.

Oh and that clerk at Target shouldnt have kids if she can't afford them. No worry about her though. I paid my taxes Friday, which I'm happy to do so Target and her kids can eat.

Bill Kirby wrote: Name calling! That's what I enjoy about conversating about politics. Let's not listen to another point of view and discuss our differences like adults. Let's beat our chests and talk shit. Oh and that clerk at Target shouldnt have kids if she can't afford them. No worry about her though. I paid my taxes Friday, which I'm happy to do so Target and her kids can eat.

Oh, yeah, I forgot to include name calling.....

Bill Kirby wrote: Name calling! That's what I enjoy about conversating about politics. Let's not listen to another point of view and discuss our differences like adults. Let's beat our chests and talk shit. Oh and that clerk at Target shouldnt have kids if she can't afford them. No worry about her though. I paid my taxes Friday, which I'm happy to do so Target and her kids can eat.

No Kirby, I did listen to his point of view. But its hard to sit and listen to someone making such mean, insensitive statements about a set of people that he clearly knows nothing about. Especially when his statements are "supported" by such patently ignorant statements about Marxism etc. that are meant to sound high-minded and educated, but are painfully ignorant and ill-informed. So yeah, when I read that kind of stuff, it really irks me. I don't call people names often, but this kind of garbage deserves it.

And for the record, I think Rock and Resole does great work and the people there are always super friendly. I started working jobs at age 14, and yeah, I made minimum wage, which is totally fine because I was a know-nothing high school kid that wasn't trying to pay rent and put food on the table. I don't see anything different about this job because as stated by the OP, this job is intended for a high school kid or someone equivalent who is looking to make some side cash while working at a climber "hang out". Seems fine to me.

Hey J. Albers, I worked at Dunkin Donuts for minimum wage for 2 years. I was in high school. And guess what, rather than decide to just accept that as good enough, I did something to better myself and my situation. I understand some people that is all that they can do and that is unfortunate and people who really need assistance get assistance from the governmental programs in place.

However, why am I supposed to feel badly for someone who has no ambition to better themselves or their situation because they don't want to? I worked my ass off to get what I have, nothing was handed to me. I work entirely commission based, hence flat-rate, so there have been plenty of times where I have been at work for 40 hours a week and not made that. I had a 15 hour week this winter.

But I am an empathetic and compassionate person, really almost to a fault, I just don't have empathy or compassion for people who are lazy and don't want to better themselves.

By the way, my GF was a single mom for 7 years before we got together raising her son alone, and she shares my view on things as well. She worked her ass off to go to school and worked full-time as well.

Oh yea, Rock and Resole has a part-time position open!

Andrewww wrote:Oh yea, Rock and Resole has a part-time position open!

Hey, stick to the topic.....

Oh, yeah....

J. Albers wrote: No Kirby, I did listen to his point of view. But its hard to sit and listen to someone making such mean, insensitive statements about a set of people that he clearly knows nothing about. Especially when his statements are "supported" by such patently ignorant statements about Marxism etc. that are meant to sound high-minded and educated, but are painfully ignorant and ill-informed. So yeah, when I read that kind of stuff, it really irks me. I don't call people names often, but this kind of garbage deserves it. And for the record, I think Rock and Resole does great work and the people there are always super friendly. I started working jobs at age 14, and yeah, I made minimum wage, which is totally fine because I was a know-nothing high school kid that wasn't trying to pay rent and put food on the table. I don't see anything different about this job because as stated by the OP, this job is intended for a high school kid or someone equivalent who is looking to make some side cash while working at a climber "hang out". Seems fine to me.

I read something different I guess. Andrew sounds like a kid who pulled himself up by his boot straps and now excepts everyone else to do that. He did beat his chest a little but hey, it's MP. People need to be held accountable. I watched too many take advantage of the two year unemployment back in 2009. I would pay extra taxes if the government could take care of everyone. That's never going to happen. People who can need to take care of themselves. If we as a society could make that so, the government and private charities could focus on the ones who really need help.

Bill Kirby wrote: I read something different I guess. Andrew sounds like a kid who pulled himself up by his boot straps and now excepts everyone else to do that. He did beat his chest a little but hey, it's MP. People need to be held accountable. I watched too many take advantage of the two year unemployment back in 2009. I would pay extra taxes if the government could take care of everyone. That's never going to happen. People who can need to take care of themselves. If we as a society could make that so, the government and private charities could focus on the ones who really need help.

For the most part I agree with what you're saying. I guess I just seethe a little bit when people make such harsh judgements about people that are struggling to make ends meet when life dished them up a bowl of sh*t from the get go. Yeah, some people are capable of hoisting themselves up out of a crap situation, and kudos to them, but at the same time, I am not about to judge someone who is struggling. For every lazy sack of crap who is living off government cheese, there are twenty who are working two jobs as a single parent all the while trying to raise a kid and keep them out of trouble (and to say as Andrew did that they shouldn't have kids is IMHO, an incredibly lame thing to say).

Couldn't say it better Bill. J.Albers, I never said people shouldn't have kids....

Andrewww wrote: Why should minimum wage be what the cost of living is?

A specific dollar figure cannot tell you how much your money is worth. You have to consider cost of living as well. Your $8.15 an hour in North Dakota is worth about $4.50 an hour in Hawaii and probably $20 an hour in Thailand.

J.

I agree with you that there needs to be something there for those who are down on their luck. I totally understand your passion to defend those citizens. I think we have different ideas on who really needs that help and how to go about getting them that help. If Congress could listen to each other, like our back and forth comments here there could be great change in the future. Unfortunately the House and Senate are like a typical Mountain Project thread.

Andrewww wrote:Couldn't say it better Bill. J.Albers, I never said people shouldn't have kids....

I said that.

20 kN wrote: A specific dollar figure cannot tell you how much your money is worth. You have to consider cost of living as well. Your $8.15 an hour in North Dakota is worth about $4.50 an hour in Hawaii and probably $20 an hour in Thailand.

What about the guy who drives 100 miles from rural Virginia to Washington DC? What about the girl who drives to Vancouver from Squamish? They don't live where the cost of living is high. Should they get less?

Andrewww quit judging people. It makes you look like a dick. Rock and resole sounds rad for a high schooler. Last set I sent in were sub par but hopefully the ones I just sent in come back nice.

sorta related but not really. ive had good success at rubber room.

Rock and Resole wrote:Help Wanted at Rock and Resole info@rockandresole.com • 10 – 15 hours/week • hours flexible – in the shop no less than 3 times per week • must review vacation plans 2 months in advance • possible Saturday hours • $8.25/hr. • customer service and desk work • no knowledge of climbing necessary • Minimum age 16

Any other job openings you'd like to post on MP?

LOL....

cragman2 wrote: Any other job openings you'd like to post on MP? LOL....

I realize you think this is funny, but they did in fact originally offer to pay less than the legal minimum wage in Colorado. It was called out and they back edited the original post. I don't think this thread would have picked up any steam without this little indiscretion.

I used to work for minimum wage in the 1980's. It was $3.35/hr. It sure didn't seem like much, about $400 take home per month. Not quite enough to get by even at 80's cost of living. OT and side jobs were a must.

Today minimum wage is just a little more than double what it was. But the cost of things like gas, rent, and food has quadrupled. Brutal...

Today , taxpayers have to fill in an even larger gap between wages earned and cost of living. Might be better to pay a little more for the McBurger, save some tax dollars, and cut out Uncle Sam as the middle man. By the way, do the math...if burger flippers pay went from $8 to $12, the dollar burger would only need to increase from $1 up to about $1.25

Xam wrote: I realize you think this is funny, but they did in fact originally offer to pay less than the legal minimum wage in Colorado. It was called out and they back edited the original post. I don't think this thread would have picked up any steam without this little indiscretion.

I would hope the OP posted a sub-minimum-wage as the result of a typo, as you suggested when it was first posted. If they intentionally offered less than minimum, I would agree that that is pretty scummy.

That said- yes, I think this thread is pretty funny in how it morphed from a job offer into a heated political discussion, complete with name calling and general venom. I especially liked the post of someone offering to fight the owner and another guy for $13.75/hour. Classic MP thread....

Yes! I love how "bootstraps" have been introduced into a resole thread. Given enough blather (oops, I mean economics dicussions from self congratulatory people who know nothing about it) and digression, things will right themselves and return to where we started.

Congrats to the dude who was able to graduate from Dunkin Donuts. I just find his lack of empathy for his former coworkers after two years working there would have made him a little less hostile to their situation.