Part time job at Rock and Resole

Maybe if the majority of climbing shoes weren't made in China to begin with, we wouldn't need resolers? Funny thing is, I'm willing to bet the people who are pissing and moaning about the minimum wage have a bunch of gear not made in this country. I've never used R &R, but the guy fucked up on stating the minimum wage for a part time remedial job. Get over it. Go vilify Patagonia for making "made in Vietnam" sound exotic and environmental.

nicelegs wrote:Years ago I spent some time learning to resole my own shoes. I don't do it anymore since I can get a better job by sending them out. What I learned was that there are real legit skills involved that take practice. Minimum wage work shouldn't have "skilled" attached to it in any way. If the job is sweeping up around the shop, opening boxes, getting finished shoes shipped, and answering phones, then cool this should be a minimum wage job. If the job is actually resoling and working on the shoes. Not only is that BS but it also casts a lot of doubt on the quality of work they are performing there now.

Maybe that's the type of employee they are looking for....not a "skilled" laborer.Just got three pairs of shoes back from Rock and Resole. Nothing but the highest of quality and always has been. Get customer service. Keep up the great work.

mediocre wrote:Maybe if the majority of climbing shoes weren't made in China to begin with, we wouldn't need resolers? Funny thing is, I'm willing to bet the people who are pissing and moaning about the minimum wage have a bunch of gear not made in this country. I've never used R &R, but the guy fucked up on stating the minimum wage for a part time remedial job. Get over it. Go vilify Patagonia for making "made in Vietnam" sound exotic and environmental.

How on earth could you build a climbing shoe that wouldn't need a resole?

mark felber wrote: Actually I do believe in minimum wage, but the OP was offering less than the legal minimum wage. Apparently he doesn't care enough about the job he's offering to do a little research and find out what the legal minimum wage is. I also believe that the minimum wage should be consistent with the local cost of living, and $8.25/hr is not consistent with the cost of living in Boulder. Calling this "a great opportunity for a high school kid who climbs" does not justify offering an inadequate wage, that's just asking the kid's parents to subsidize Rock & Resole by providing cheap labor.

Why should minimum wage be what the cost of living is? Do you really think that people working in fast food should be making more than what people who have college educations or have learned skilled trades should?

Problem with raising minimum wage to a livable wage, say $15 an hour, everything else will just go up in price. McDonald's will have the Five Dollar Menu instead of the Dollar Menu.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news to you, but just because you do some sort of job, doesn't necessarily mean you should get paid the same as everyone else. That is a Marxist point of view and unfortunately as history has proven, it doesn't really produce this utopia that everyone thinks it will.

Rock and resole is looking for someone to do some simple tasks around the shop part time and will pay minimum wage for it. But hell, if I lived in the area and could make it fit in with my regular full time job, I would just for the experience and opportunity it could offer me to learn the skill of resoling.

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A young conservative.. I love it! Let me be the first to welcome you to the dark side. This is most intelligent post I've read.

I've been using Rock and Resole for a long time and haven't noticed any decline in quality. The turnaround time on my last pair was more like 3 days rather than the usual 2, but I managed to deal with it. Still the same excellent job.

Since I'm local, if I did think the quality was dropping, I'd just talk to the owner (who is always in the shop) rather than spread second hand complaints on the internet, but that's just me.

mark felber wrote: Calling this "a great opportunity for a high school kid who climbs" does not justify offering an inadequate wage, that's just asking the kid's parents to subsidize Rock & Resole by providing cheap labor.

Mark, I'd love to know where all these high paying Boulder jobs for High School students are. Maybe my kids can finally start subsidizing me!

The first pair I had done at R&R was awesome. The second pair was really fucked up - there was a small slit in the upper part of the rubber (over the pinky metatarsal) and it somehow worked itself loose. One day I'm in the climbing gym and I feel/hear a scrape when backstepping> I jumped off and looked down and see my toe poking through.

Andrewww wrote: Why should minimum wage be what the cost of living is? Do you really think that people working in fast food should be making more than what people who have college educations or have learned skilled trades should? Problem with raising minimum wage to a livable wage, say $15 an hour, everything else will just go up in price. McDonald's will have the Five Dollar Menu instead of the Dollar Menu. I hate to be the bearer of bad news to you, but just because you do some sort of job, doesn't necessarily mean you should get paid the same as everyone else. That is a Marxist point of view and unfortunately as history has proven, it doesn't really produce this utopia that everyone thinks it will. Rock and resole is looking for someone to do some simple tasks around the shop part time and will pay minimum wage for it. But hell, if I lived in the area and could make it fit in with my regular full time job, I would just for the experience and opportunity it could offer me to learn the skill of resoling.

No, I do not think that people working in fast food should make more than people with college educations or who have learned skilled trades, nor did I say so in my post. Nor did I suggest that everyone should be paid the same wage. Expecting the legal minimum wage to reflect the cost of living is a long way from Marxism. please read my posts more carefully before you reply.

Not really. Minimum wage is not minimum livable wage. let's look at it this way, you raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, that encroaches closely upon what I as a college educated person whom also works in a skilled trade makes. Fine and good, McDonald's employees now make more money, but guess what, my wage does not go up just because theirs did. Now the price of commodities goes up because now companies have to pay those minimum wage jobs more. Now I can no longer afford my current normal lifestyle nor my cost of living because I in turn have to pay more for the things I need.

It's basic economics. You can inflate the dollar all you want but it isn't going to make anyone any richer, in fact as you can see it would make more people far worse off.

Haha, thanks Bill. I used to have those idealistic utopia dreams, but then I grew up and realized how the world really works.

Josh Kornish wrote:For me it's kind of a bummer to know that if you could pay your workers less, you would. I don't want that type of unappreciated labor working on my shoes

check your attitude! It's a part time job for a high school kid... Nobody is trying or intending to make a living on it.

mark felber wrote: No, I do not think that people working in fast food should make more than people with college educations or who have learned skilled trades, nor did I say so in my post. Nor did I suggest that everyone should be paid the same wage. Expecting the legal minimum wage to reflect the cost of living is a long way from Marxism. please read my posts more carefully before you reply.

Again, why should minimum wage reflect a living wage? If your goal in life is simply to find a job that pays minimum wage and live off that, quite frankly you are a complete loser with no marketable skills. Minimum wage jobs are for high school/college kids and/or adults who want to supplement their main income.

Look, I know it probably goes without saying, but:

I'll fight the owner of this shoe repair shop, and anyone he hires, AT THE SAME TIME.

For $13.75 an hour, of course.

Hey Andrewww.

Did you ever turn this on its head to think that maybe you're not being paid enough either?

The same arguments that you make for fast food could just as easily be applied to your field, whatever it is.

Whatever your field is, you ultimately chose to work in it, and you're barely making a livable wage.

Fact of the matter is that unless a person is working in STEM, finance, or have a very high demand skillset, they have a very small chance of getting paid enough in this country regardless of profession.

Very few people outside of these fields have been paid a reasonable wage since the decline in union power in this country.

Andrewww wrote:Not really. Minimum wage is not minimum livable wage. let's look at it this way, you raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, that encroaches closely upon what I as a college educated person whom also works in a skilled trade makes. Fine and good, McDonald's employees now make more money, but guess what, my wage does not go up just because theirs did. Now the price of commodities goes up because now companies have to pay those minimum wage jobs more. Now I can no longer afford my current normal lifestyle nor my cost of living because I in turn have to pay more for the things I need. It's basic economics. You can inflate the dollar all you want but it isn't going to make anyone any richer, in fact as you can see it would make more people far worse off.

I will finance this.

Adam Burch wrote:Look, I know it probably goes without saying, but: I'll fight the owner of this shoe repair shop, and anyone he hires, AT THE SAME TIME. For $13.75 an hour, of course.

Haha I know I am underpaid, I could drive 15 minutes further down the road and be paid more an hour though no guarantee of work, I am a Honda master automotive technician so I am paid flat-rate meaning I only get paid for the actual jobs I do, not for just showing up to work. Plus I have been where I am for a decade and like my co-workers so that's a big plus.

But it still doesn't change the fact that you can't pay people $15 an hour to work in fast-food. Really the only thing you would accomplish by paying people more money is to devalue the dollar.

Andrewww wrote:Haha I know I am underpaid, I could drive 15 minutes further down the road and be paid more an hour though no guarantee of work, I am a Honda master automotive technician so I am paid flat-rate meaning I only get paid for the actual jobs I do, not for just showing up to work. Plus I have been where I am for a decade and like my co-workers so that's a big plus. But it still doesn't change the fact that you can't pay people $15 an hour to work in fast-food. Really the only thing you would accomplish by paying people more money is to devalue the dollar.

DANG THESE MARXIST BURGER BASTARDS are trying to topple america. glassdoor.com/Salary/In-N-O…

Andrewww wrote:Not really. Minimum wage is not minimum livable wage. let's look at it this way, you raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, that encroaches closely upon what I as a college educated person whom also works in a skilled trade makes. Fine and good, McDonald's employees now make more money, but guess what, my wage does not go up just because theirs did. Now the price of commodities goes up because now companies have to pay those minimum wage jobs more. Now I can no longer afford my current normal lifestyle nor my cost of living because I in turn have to pay more for the things I need. It's basic economics. You can inflate the dollar all you want but it isn't going to make anyone any richer, in fact as you can see it would make more people far worse off.

Wow. Your level of ignorance on economics and what it means to live on minimum wage is astounding. And don't try to talk to me about how ones amount of education/slash skill set should be commiserate with their pay because then I should be making a whole hell of lot more than I do. However, instead of whining like a little spoiled child about my lack of pay compared to a grocery checker, I would prefer that I make a decent wage and at the same time pay the clerk at Target enough to feed herself and her kids. And if you think that is Marxism, then you clearly don't know what that philosophy entails or means. But really, please continue on spouting off like a self-righteous know-it-all that has zero compassion or empathy for those with different and perhaps more difficult life circumstances than you because it makes you sound like a real prince among men....wait no, it makes you sound like an ignorant d-bag.

christopher adams wrote:Hey Andrewww. Did you ever turn this on its head to think that maybe you're not being paid enough either? The same arguments that you make for fast food could just as easily be applied to your field, whatever it is. Whatever your field is, you ultimately chose to work in it, and you're barely making a livable wage. Fact of the matter is that unless a person is working in STEM, finance, or have a very high demand skillset, they have a very small chance of getting paid enough in this country regardless of profession. Very few people outside of these fields have been paid a reasonable wage since the decline in union power in this country.

What's enough? What's reasonable?

Gotta love MP.
Starts as a job ad for a high school kid, turns into social commentary, discussions of economics and politics, critique of Rock and Resole, sarcasm and snarkiness, people talking about fighting each other, etc, etc

Hope warm weather arrives soon. Ya'll need to go climb and get off the internet for awhile....