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My vote for the corner on Black Orpheus is 5.7, it's not as hard as some 5.8s in Red Rock (crux move on Varnishing Point, Ragged Edges, etc)

Sensous Mortician was really really easy for 5.9. It might be hard convincing people to go all the way to 5.7 on it, but it's about as strenous as that finger crack on Fold Out right next to it.

Y2K should be no harder then .9, and realistically it's an .8, except for the last ten feet of the 4th pitch.

Hmm...what else....wanna call Epinephrine 5.8?

I think he listed the first pitch of Sour Mash as 5.9, the one where you traverse left clipping a couple bolts. I would be happy voting for .10a on that pitch.

Armatron...5.8? Too many good holds right near the bolts. Just not 5.9, like, at all.

Black Dagger....5.8? I hate retro grading Joe Herbst, but this is 5.8, probably. Maybe not in Josh, but compared to 5.8's in Red Rock.

How about Solar Slab Gully, 5.5 or 5.6. Calling it 5.3 sends the wrong message (thinking of those planning on down climbing...)

Alright, I'll play...off the top of my head:

Sandbags:
Wholesome Fullback
Dean's List
P1 of Sour Mash

Soft:
Our Father (final pitch)
Most things in the Black Corridor
La Cierta Edad
Critical Cams

This is fun.

Eagle Dance: the free moves out of the bolt ladder are a sandbag at 5.8. The pitch after the bolt ladder is a sandbag. Felt 10+. Same with the following pitch.

Black Orpheus corner: 5.7+ Definitely a sandbag, but it is too low-angle to be harder than 5.8.

Jubilant Song: both pulling the roof after the epic traverse and the thin, steep slab up the black water streak both felt significantly harder than 5.8. I may have been weak or scared that day, but I don't remember being both.

Sour Mash: p1 is a sandbag

Birdland: except for the p3? traverse past the bolt, the whole route felt soft. If p2 of Olive Oil is 5.7, then the 5.7 pitches of Birdland are 5.6-

Unsure if Meetup is even in the newest edition of Red Rock Nevada Climbing Guidebook, but the Upcoming meetups is not much of a 5.10a. Very simple and easy clips, 5.9+ at most. Pumpkin King was also pushing it but there's at least one 5.10a move so I guess I wouldn't say bring it down.

Weston L wrote:Soft: La Cierta Edad

Weston L wrote:Alright, I'll play...off the top of my head: Sandbags: Wholesome Fullback Dean's List P1 of Sour Mash Soft: Our Father (final pitch) Most things in the Black Corridor La Cierta Edad Critical Cams

Black dagger did feel like 5.8 compared to others. PG13? A fall on that thin move starting the second pitch would be nasty. Cool route!