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New RMNP guidebook - finally being released

Jason Haas · · Broomfield, CO · Joined Oct 2005 · Points: 1,582
goatboy I haven't done a route count of the old books. I wouldn't say double, but I'd say a significant amount for sure. It's 450 pages with very little "wasted" space.
CO_Michael · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2008 · Points: 956
Ben Schneider wrote:Mike, which Ships Prow routes are you looking for?
Tunnel of Love and Ice Cream
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Ben Schneider · · Westminster, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 115

Michael, yes both of those route are in the book. FA on Tunnel of Love- Michael McGuinn, Wayne Hare. Ice Cream Turned to Shit- Michael McGuinn, Mark Ronca

Chris Rice · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2013 · Points: 55

Leaving home about July 10th for a trip to RMNP. Realistically, what's the odds of having it before I go? If not pretty sure, I'll wait and buy it out there at a climbing store.

Ben Schneider · · Westminster, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 115

Chris, realistically I think the chances are good. I think the union dispute with the longshoremen on the west coast has been resolved, and while there is still a huge backlog of container ships I'm hopeful they will have worked through most of them by this summer. Your safest bet is to either preorder from our site and pay for expedited shipping or just wait and buy it locally when you get here. Hope that helps!

Wally · · Denver · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 0

Awesome! Thanks Jason, Ben, and Richard.

George Bracksieck · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2008 · Points: 3,393

Yet another downside of manufacturing in China, instead of in the US or nearby allied countries.

Jason Haas · · Broomfield, CO · Joined Oct 2005 · Points: 1,582

True George, but then again, I don't think you or anyone else would be willing to pay $100 for the book just so we could break even on costs. Domestic printing is three times as much as overseas. I will add though that several of our books are printed in the U.S., on recycled paper, using soy-based ink, etc. It is important to us, but at 450 pages, we just couldn't do it with this project.

Scott McMahon · · Boulder, CO · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 1,425
George Bracksieck wrote:Yet another downside of manufacturing in China, instead of in the US or nearby allied countries.
We haven't had a new book for the park in like 15+ years. Let's just celebrate that fact, and cheers to the accomplishment.
mattm · · TX · Joined Jun 2006 · Points: 1,885

Stoked to get another FP guide. I try to buy every quality guide book that's published even though there may be a less than 1% chance I'll get to that area in the next decade. I have 90% of FP books because their quality deserves support.

One of the great ironies in "climbing consumerism" is how distorted views and habits are from what's likely "best". We tend to be the cheapest of bastards on some things like guide books, rack upkeep or fixed hardware but willingly drop cash on exorbitantly priced things marketed to our "lifestyle". Not saying it's everywhere but the simplistic "China Bashing" often breezes over an EXTREMELY complex global production system that few of us truly have expertise in.

I'll continue to support any quality guidebook publisher so that they may keep up the good work for years to come. Thanks FP

Chris Rice · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2013 · Points: 55

Sounds as if FP does try to work domestically but also understands the reality of price point versus sales and making a profit.

George Bracksieck · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2008 · Points: 3,393

Each time we buy something, including food, we're casting a vote for where it is made, how it is made, how it is transported, as well as who made and sold it. Yes, the global economy is complex; yet we have free will to choose how to vote. We can make choices that promote a world that is more secure and has a safer environment.

China unquestionably maintains the world's worst environmental and human-rights records. For example, it is the greatest polluter and greenhouse-gas emitter, and the ethnic cleansing of Tibet continues. The dollars we give it further strengthen its power, which is already threatening its neighbors.

I like Jason and Ben (and Richard), and they've done an excellent job documenting many vast climbing areas. I lobbied to print their first Platte guide in the US. I also note that some other prominent guidebook publishers, such as Falcon, have resumed printing in the US.

ZANE · · Cleveland, OH · Joined May 2011 · Points: 20

Just ordered mine! Super psyched! Thanks for all the hard work.

Donald Letts · · Golden, CO · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 149

just put in my order. looking forward to it!

Jeff G · · Colorado · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 1,098

Any news on a ship date for the new guide?

Collin Holt · · Dallas, TX · Joined Mar 2008 · Points: 40

When will this book be in shops? Any ETA would be great!!! THANKS AND CANT WAIT!!!

Mauricio Herrera Cuadra · · North Vancouver, BC · Joined Nov 2012 · Points: 3,908

seems like the current weather is holding up the alpine rock season for when the book goes out. I placed my order a couple of weeks ago. stoked!

Ben Schneider · · Westminster, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 115

Thank you everyone for your interest and questions about when the book will be available! It's very hard to rely on a hard date for when this will happen as we are at the mercy of container ship traffic jams, Longshoremen, and a crowded rail network. Right now, our best guess is that these book will be available to ship to our customers in late June or early July. My gut tells me it will be closer to early to mid July, but there's just no way to tell at this point. Please stay tuned to our Facebook page or this thread for more updates.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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