Why the munter mule?
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Hi, |
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It is indeed something to play with under controlled circumstances. I sometimes find the mule knot hard to release under full body weight. The bite seems to act like a bulge that is hard to slip through the constricted loop just before the moment of release. |
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The mule is useful because it is very easy to undo while maintaining control on the belay end. It is effectively a slip knot, where pulling to undo it keeps you on belay one handed. Half hitches necessitate use of both hands to keep control, and are not quite as stable as the mule. |
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shoo wrote:The mule is useful because it is very easy to undo while maintaining control on the belay end. It is effectively a slip knot, where pulling to undo it keeps you on belay one handed. Half hitches necessitate use of both hands to keep control, and are not quite as stable as the mule.This is I think what I compared: a munter mule compared to a munter followed by two half-hitches/slip knots tied on a bight. i.e. the same as the version of a mule shown in animated knots, but without the little loop - my version proved easier to untie and control than a mule knot. I was expecting the mule to be easier and give better control, but find the opposite, so was wondering if I'm missing something, or is it that people haven't tried the alternative? |
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David Coley wrote:... munter followed by two half-hitches/slip knots tied on a bight ... without the little loop - my version proved easier to untie and control than a mule knot.It may take some mileage with this configuration to know under what conditions there might be enough creep to cause the half-hitches to cinch up and so be hard to release. Imagine hanging from the rig while ...
I'm not saying with any certainty one way or another. I just have this suspicion that the little loop on the mule knot normally pinches off a bunch of the creep-inducing forces. It could be the case that the best course of action depends on the circumstances. |
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The munter mule is actually pretty easy to tie if practiced |
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I'll throw my idea in.. |
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Bill Kirby wrote: I'll throw my idea in.. I was taught to tie an overhand to escape then use a Biner, pruzzik and sling to escape completely. I only use a munter if I'm not using a Grigri or not escaping completely. Bearbreeder, I've climbed on a couple 60 degree days in Squamish during February but WTH is going on in BC this year!!!??? You guys get any winter this year? I would be thinking about skinning up to Alice Lake not rock climbing today!!Judge for yourself ... Today at the crag, partner on lead Teenage girls wont blow gorbies 11c, smoke bluffs, squamish Wee ruuuuuv grobol wah-mang up here As for escape .. Some form of releasable hitch is essential, an overhand may not be releasable under load Ill take the photos tmr ... Apologies i was too busy scrubbing an old climb today ;) |