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rgold wrote:Budd, it was second-hand by the time it got here. Your beef, if you have one, is with the Dumbass anchors guy.No beef here dude. honestly it's good to have feedback and learn some new things. I was just surprised see Dumbass anchors dude go to that effort without actually trying to talk to us about it. just seems weaselly |
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Budd Rick wrote: No beef here dude. honestly it's good to have feedback and learn some new things. I was just surprised see Dumbass anchors dude go to that effort without actually trying to talk to us about it. just seems weasellyIf it makes you feel better Budd, I'd whip on that shit. |
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Miike wrote: If it makes you feel better Budd, I'd whip on that shit.me too |
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Me three. Something to be said for a quick and dirty solution that gets the job done without compromising serious safety. Is there a better solution? Yea. Is that going to fail ever, highly unlikly. Would I do that again? Probably not. In that situation I would have used a bowline with two wraps to prevent it from getting really welded. Just as quick, slightly more "textbook", whatever that means. |
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Climbing Mags are getting into the "intraweb shaming" action .... sometimes it boomerangs on em =P |
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bearbreeder wrote:Climbing Mags are getting into the "intraweb shaming" action .... sometimes it boomerangs on em =Phaha awesome. I also enjoys that s/he refers to canyoneering as complex topic. Compared to trad or alpine climbing, most canyoneering is a sinch. |
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This month on dumb ass anchors... |
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Buff Johnson wrote: these are pretty strongI think you are talking about the same anchor as him. |
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matt c. wrote: Look at this sloppy mess!yeah, 5 more lockers fer sure would do it |
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For fifty years, I have used the method shown in the above photo "strong 1". Suggestion: use only the knot that you are confident of, and use it every time. |
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I just browsed that dumb anchors site .the guy's captions are pretty irritating. Who died and made him chief anchor inspector? 90% of those anchors are fine. Seems like he needs to get a life and do some more climbing than hanging out at the top of a TR cliff. |
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Danbo1957 wrote:For fifty years, I have used the method shown in the above photo "strong 1". Suggestion: use only the knot that you are confident of, and use it every time.What this guy says. Simple is better. For me, life is too short for such silliness as ACR/quad gear achors, contrived tree anchors, and anything other than the simplest connection to fixed anchors, that being more situationally dependent... Anchor-nerdery = time you will never get back. |
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Br'er Rabbit wrote: Anchor-nerdery = time you will never get back.my thought as well. of course spending mass amounts of time on the internet typing up long winded explanations of wrapping a rope around a tree/rock may be even worse but WTH |
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- Tensionless hitch |
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On the surface, my issue with the anchor in the OP is it renders the rope by itself useless and then introduces an unnecessary single-point-of-failure rigging element. The net effect over just a knot is a compounding of risk in a trade-off which delivers dubious benefit at best. Is that such big a deal or likely to fail? No. Danbo1957 wrote:For fifty years, I have used the method shown in the above photo "strong 1". Suggestion: use only the knot that you are confident of, and use it every time.I dunno, here's another suggestion: learn to use the appropriate knot for the task at hand. In the case of 'strong 1', it has two unnecessary wraps around the tree and that's a less than ideal application of a figure eight on a bight. A straight bowline with a backup overhand would be a simpler response and one without the undesirable friction between the rope and the bight of the figure eight. |
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Going back to OP why not tie a knot. Or not? |
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About the OP, |
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On an additional note RE: The QD guide anchor using eights... |
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Healyje wrote:I dunno, here's another suggestion: learn to use the appropriate knot for the task at hand. In the case of 'strong 1', it has two unnecessary wraps around the tree and that's a less than ideal application of a figure eight on a bight. A straight bowline with a backup overhand would be a simpler response and one without the undesirable friction between the rope and the bight of the figure eight.bitching about "strong 1" or "strong 2" is similar to bitching about the type of toilet paper you wipe with. ;) |