Can anyone give me a date range on these biners?

Hey guys so I was at Outdoor Gear Exchange in Burlington, VT. These quickdraws caught my eye. I bought 4 of these draws for 5 dollars each on consignment. They are basically brand new and look like they have been used once or twice.

Now I was looking into this particular color way but I could not find anything on it. Do any of you guys know when these were released?

petzl spirit

petzl spirit 2

davin214 wrote:Hey guys so I was at Outdoor Gear Exchange in Burlington, VT. These quickdraws caught my eye. I bought 4 of these draws for 5 dollars each on consignment. They are basically brand new and look like they have been used once or twice. Now I was looking into this particular color way but I could not find anything on it. Do any of you guys know when these were released?

Those are the generation that came before the last Petzl spirits. So we are now two generations old. I think those were prevalent in the late 90s. I dont know when they first came out though. Petzl will know, ask them.

Sweet deal; those Spirit biners sold for something like $10 each.

I still have a few of those from about 1997. It was one of the first non-locking key-lock 'biners on the market if I recall correctly. I think Petzl had a patent on the key-lock for a while. But I could be wrong. Happens once every couple of years.

Five bucks a pop is a pretty good deal if they're barely used. Your great grandkids could be onsighting 5.16s with those burly ass dogbones if you leave them in your will.

I have straight-gate Petzl Spirits that are pink and blue, kind of the inverse of these, but the blue is actually blue, not turquoise, and on the gate. The 'biner is mainly pink. They are from 1994.

The nylon dogbones are absolutely of the mid-90s vintage, I remember them well.

My regular climbing partner has those same draws. From the 90's for sure.

I worked at REI in the mid 90s. That's about accurate.

Those look to have bent gate biners on both ends -- this used to be a no no. Easier clipping also means easier unclipping (from bolt hangers if the biner were flop around). Anyway, just saying. If it were me I'd buy them -- but just switch out one end of each draw with a non-bentgate.

And, as everyone else has said, definitely from the 90's. Those colors bring back memories of spandex and mullets...

FWIW: older Petzl Spirits are actually stronger: 25 kN, 10 kN, 10 kN. So there's that. Also: the Petzl Spirit is the best carabiner made, period. And I prefer the older design to the new one. So these were a steal. (But yeah, don't put bent gates on both ends, it's a no-no.)

They look truly symmetrical. One thing I'd do is come up with a system so that you know which biner gets clipped to the bolt, and which gets clipped to the rope. Always!

Marc H wrote:Your great grandkids could be onsighting 5.16s with those burly ass dogbones if you leave them in your will.

I know recommended life of a harness is something like 5 years of use, wouldn't the same logic apply to dogbones?

Bart: shush. You are confused, Petzl didn't sell them this way. Somebody put them together this way after market.

The Spirit carabiners are stronger than 99% of the 'biners you can buy today. Just use them rope end.

bart 2015 wrote: Wrong! The straight gate goes on the bolt and the the rope gets clipped into the bent gate. Always. In modern sport climbing it is. By all means those draws are not modern. Dish out 200 bucks for an after dinosaur set of draws. Ditch those ancient ones.

You have awful reading comprehension.

bart 2015 wrote: It's not about the "strength" it's about the "shape"!

For sure, F*#* strength. only octagonal shapes matter. Octagonal. Know your shapes. Many people think strength holds a piece together, and hence you to the wall, but it's not true. only the divine octagonal figure holds you to the wall. know your shapes. stay shaped, my friend...

You're right Bart, I'm constantly decking because of gate flutter, but I love Spirits any way. *rolls eyes*

The things one reads on the Internet...

bart 2015 wrote: Well, that's pretty dumb of you if you ask me * puts up 2 fingers in a shape of an L on the forehead* I'm into the newest technology because why not? And I don't like decking.

You only need one hand not 2 fingers..

Both sides have a bent gate and a rubber keeper.
On one side replace with a straight gate and get rid of that side's rubber.

The older ones are not stronger. While in production Petzl went to sigma3 standard and the biner strength tested less. Same biner though.

rocknice2 wrote: On one side replace with a straight gate and get rid of that side's rubber. .

You don't want a rubber keeper (called strings I think) on the bolt end, but save the ones you remove. They eventually wear out and you can use the saved ones as replacements.

Thanks guys! Is rope side bent or straight? I'm going to pick up some biners and new dogbones and make some more draws out of these!

The color just caught my eye and reminded me of some of the vintage gear I've seen around!

The bent gate is for the rope: straight is for the bolt.

So I like Petzl Spirit carabiners. In the photo below there are 4 generations of Spirits.

(Newest to oldest)
The top row is 23 kN 8 kN 9 kN (39g)
The second row is: 23 kN 10 kN 9 kN (47g)
The third row is: 23 kN 10 kN 9.5 kN (46, 47g)
The fourth row is: 25 kN 10 kN 10 kN (47g)

Just out of curiosity, what do the markings on yours say?

Several generations of Spirit Carabiners.