Bd C4's prices getting raised?
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Tom-onator wrote: Chinese manufacturers work harder at making things "look the part" but the majority of their products fall miserably short when it comes to function...'mericans love bargain shopping and think they are actually getting a better deal by paying less for an inferior product.There you go, the Chinese are supplying the American demand for cheap inferior products. Who's to blame? On the other hand, iphones are also assembled there and those certainly aren't cheap or inferior. A Korean friend told me Hyundai had made quality, reliable cars in South Korea long before their changed brand perception in the states, but elected to build cheap cars for the US market in the 90's because they thought that's what the Americans wanted (well, who can blame them when Detroit was rolling out all those POS). I'd rather have 'merica design or build the best products than buying 'merican just because, the latter will just ensure we'll lose our competitive edge over time. |
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china produces excellent goods when they WANT to, especially when the focus is on QC for foreign brands |
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Nivel Egres wrote: I can only speak for the clothing industry, where any time you buy an Asian-made bargain you are supporting sweatshops and child labour. Wages in China are up quite a bit over the last 10 years and working conditions have improved a lot. Which, of course, prompted many manufacturers to shift production to even cheaper areas such as Vietnam. New place, same shit.That's not really true, production scale has more influence over cost than employee hourly rate. Again, to hold a higher level of QC you can't use slave labor. I'm sure there are some clothing manufacturers that do but I doubt any we're familiar with. Professional textile mills run lean operations and slave/child labor produces huge amounts of waste if there is QC standard. |
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bearbreeder wrote:just like having DMM cams being produced in wales ... if yr gonna pay good money for em might as well get ones that are produced in the 1st worldYou ever been to Llanberis? :-) |
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SinRopa wrote: I'm not saying this is incorrect, but I can't find any mention of that on their investor relations website: blackdiamond-inc.com/phoeni…http://www.mountainproject.com/v/mp-included-in-bds-strategic-plans-for-2015/109345269 Bill Belcourt announced it on the stock holder teleconference. |
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Nivel Egres wrote: I can only speak for the clothing industry, where any time you buy an Asian-made bargain you are supporting sweatshops and child labour. Wages in China are up quite a bit over the last 10 years and working conditions have improved a lot. Which, of course, prompted many manufacturers to shift production to even cheaper areas such as Vietnam. New place, same shit.The shift is real, but we still get more than 3 times as many garments made in china than in vietname (who are still producing twice as much as bangledash). |
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Tom-onator wrote: Visit any harbor freight tool store for prime examplesOh don't get me started. There is nothing worse than going into harbor freight. I used to think it was the Verizon store, but HF gives them a serious run for their money. |
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Kyle Kienitz wrote: Oh don't get me started. There is nothing worse than going into harbor freight. I used to think it was the Verizon store, but HF gives them a serious run for their money.I despise Harbor Freight's quality, however I did buy some 4' clamps for a project that were 10x cheaper. That being said, there's a place in this world for cheaper prices/one time use items and I think we can all agree that inferior quality does not belong in the climbing industry. VVV Completely Agree Miike! |
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if you ever see a contractor working with harbor freight tools you want to keep a good distance from them |
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bearbreeder wrote:china produces excellent goods when they WANT to, especially when the focus is on QC for foreign brands conversely just because something is american made doesnt mean that its "reliable" either^this. If c4s were anywhere close to harbor freight quality, they wouldn't have the rep they do today.... Kinda apples to oranges to compare c4s to harbor freight in the slightest in my opinion. We all know harbor freight is the bottom of the barrel, really the only thing to get there is a plastic bin at best. i'd love to see someone QC test two random c4 cams - one made in america, one made in china... It's really not complicated to make a cam, i'd be pretty amazed if there was any difference personally. |
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I think most companies move their manufacturing plants overseas not necessarily for the benefit of paying their employees smaller wages but the benefit of not having to deal with the EPA and strict environmental policies. I'm not an expert but I bet there's a good bit of pollution coming from the manufacturing process of cams as well as iPhones. |
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Dave T wrote:I think most companies move their manufacturing plants overseas not necessarily for the benefit of paying their employees smaller wages but the benefit of not having to deal with the EPA and strict environmental policies. I'm not an expert but I bet there's a good bit of pollution coming from the manufacturing process of cams as well as iPhones. The question I have is: I wonder when China is going to tighten up their environmental policies? And does that mean more manufacturing moving back to the US?BD ships the finished parts to China for final assembly of the C4. |
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ATTN: Mods, can we move Econ 101 here to a different subforum? |
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even if you don't pay full price, the full price still affects the sale prices.... |