Route claiming help!

I've got it on good authority, that most of those routes are manufactured anyway. You can have them.

HarryN wrote:Jennifer's post doesn't deserve the stream of derision in this thread. Do you guys often get mad when a woman acts "uppity"? I'm with her, OP comes off as a douche claiming FA's on his V4's when really he has no idea.

I'm sorry, what does this have to do with her being a women? People like you manufacture issues to complain about. Have you spent any time on mountain project? There is 0% chance if this was posted by a male this would be handled any differently.

FA hootenany frustration = ego driven bullshit. cheers to the OP for being a doe eyed climber stoked on some chalkless lines and wanting to document, let's assume he's innocent until proven guilty in terms of wanting to "claim FA's" on other people's dirty pebbles.

SDY wrote: I'm sorry, what does this have to do with her being a women? People like you manufacture issues to complain about. Have you spent any time on mountain project? There is 0% chance if this was posted by a male this would be handled any differently.

+1

She has opened multiple fronts in the battle against the OP.

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Wagon Wheel has been an established area for decades. I agree with Jennifer, do some research before claiming FA's. No problem in posting them, just leave FA blank as mentioned above. Cerro Torre is not on MP, does that mean the next person to climb it and post it on MP can claim the FA?

Flex wrote:Wagon Wheel has been an established area for decades. I agree with Jennifer, do some research before claiming FA's. No problem in posting them, just leave FA blank as mentioned above. Cerro Torre is not on MP, does that mean the next person to climb it and post it on MP can claim the FA?

Yeah...wagon wheel is just like Cerro Torre.

That's the way with nOObs. They assume it is a FA until proven otherwise. Everyone else realizes it was probably done long ago unless they looked long and hard to find something they are sure has not been done and have done their research.

Csproul, I certainly agree that he should be informed he is not the FA, and tht he should have done more research (sounds like he did some). It also sounds like it is a relatively obscure area where the vast majority of the problems had not been recorded, at least not publicly. Perhaps his "noob-ism" caused him to not do enough research, I don't know.

All the posters here said that Jennifer could be nicer and less pretentious. Teaching him how to do this is great, ridiculing, being melodramatic, and comparing these little rocks to Cerro Torre is not okay.

Basically, the nuts and bolts of this have been solved. Throw out the lines and proposed grades (expect your V5 to be downgraded to 5.10-) with the FA left blank, maybe just descriptive names of problems rather than your yen for the name Unicorn Dildo, and all should be well. If locals are going to passively aggressively bury the info to such a non-destination as Ridgecrest, or it's lost to sands of time, or whatever, your route descriptions will provide fodder for those wayward travelers who find themselves there and perhaps motivate concerned folks like Jennifer to get the real goods and history out there before they are lost forever. Win-win.

Jennifer's reaction is a bit hyperbolic as is much of the response. So... fair enough. No harm, no foul.

Happens all the time; people come in decades later and think they have done some FAs. No biggie. The hyper public recording of every ascent is a recent phenomenon. Only the more OC of us would name and write down every boulder problem. In many areas even a completely scrubbed route can go back to looking like its original state in a year or two if not regularly climbed. No need to get worked up or insulted on either end. It is all about having fun.

When people post up routes that I know I or others have done earlier, sometimes I correct them to keep the historical context or if it is one that I put a lot of effort into and am proud of it. Other times I don't bother. Let them have their fun and excitement. Correcting every one comes down as kind of heavy and more ego absorbed than is meant and it is not worth it. I, and I am sure many others, don't post up a lot of FAs because we haven't climbed them recently enough to remember enough details to write up a good description.

When I do post up problems, if I am not pretty sure of the FA I just leave it blank or add a question mark. "First recorded ascent" works too. I think you have to consider that if it is an accessible and obvious line under V8 at a popular area, it has probably been climbed many years ago and may have had an FA the last 3 generations. Go ahead and re-clean, climb and record it, but don't be upset if somebody's memory is jogged and they let you know they climbed it before. I am happy to know the correct history. I don't think people are required to scour all the nursing homes to see if anybody previously climbed something, just be reasonable and have a sense of goodwill about the whole thing.

SDY wrote: I'm sorry, what does this have to do with her being a women? People like you manufacture issues to complain about. Have you spent any time on mountain project? There is 0% chance if this was posted by a male this would be handled any differently.

I have spent time on MP and I disagree. In any case, the patronizing, image-macroing, +1ing, all male, circle jerk tone of this thread is more offensive than Jennifer. Re read Jennifer's post. Is there anything angry or unreasonable about it, besides maybe being a little verbose?

Harry = the new Greg?

HarryN wrote:Jennifer's post doesn't deserve the stream of derision in this thread. Do you guys often get mad when a woman acts "uppity"? I'm with her, OP comes off as a douche claiming FA's on his V4's when really he has no idea.

I am going to disagree, the OP did try to do some research. Jen's post ripped him a new one starting with the third paragraph and went from there. While the points are mostly correct it was the delivery that sucked. I would feel same if it she was a he. It is all about the delivery.

If you want to see the difference find the thread about Angel Food Wall at Red Rocks. That thread was pretty damn funny and had the same issues.

Honestly the important thing here is that a thread in the bouldering section had two pages of responses!

Since moving to Sicily, I've found that there isn't much climbing recorded, here, on MP. I bought a guide book for all climbing in Sicily, since it was published in 2002. I've used the guide book to find rock, explore it, take pictures of it, and set up new areas and routes on MP for all to see. My cause is so that visitors will have the electronic method of finding climbing, so they won't have to go through the trouble of acquiring the guide book that they may only use with the short period of time that they're here. And to help this site to grow, because it has served me well for years and I love to see the connection that random climbers are able to make with each other. What drives my efforts is other climbers using their time, money, and energy to serve the community with bolts on routes, cleaning rock, and recording information to share with the public. I love this sport and this way of life. Who cares why we do it? Let's just enjoy our climbing comrades and live and climb happy. Thanks to the original poster for putting in the hard work to help grow the site. You may never get recognized or paid for helping to develop a website. I know your intentions were priceless when you saw this rock and wanted to do more than just climb it--you wanted to contribute it to our site so your friends could tap into it. Jennifer--where were your efforts, and why are you chiming in with your self-righteous short novel when you coulda been doing what the original poster is doing now? Save your dispute and click on the improvement button that is featured on the area pages. I'm sure the original poster's hand still burns from the slap you gave it.

mustardtiger wrote:Honestly the important thing here is that a thread in the bouldering section had two pages of responses!

And they are about Wagon Wheel!!!

I know nothing about the area but from this thread I am guessing it is the new bishop?

Russ Walling wrote:I FA'd everything there V8 and under in 1979. Then declared the area climbed out and choss. Let's move to the Black Planets next....

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Wow!! This thread has been a bright spot in an otherwise shitty day!!
Thanks everyone!