Achilles Heel Bursitis / Haglunds Deformity and Climbing Shoes
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I have a tendency to develop bursitis on my right heel, I also have a very minor protrusion (haglunds deformity) on it. This happens to be right where most modern mid-high-performance shoes plant their "slingshot rand". I'm wondering if anyone else has any experience with this, and what shoes or tricks they use to deal with it, aside from rest and ice. |
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Bump! Gotta be some other climbers around here dealing with this. |
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I think I'm in the same boat... I actually just posted something similar, cause I think my shoes are the main culprit. Wasn't sure what it was, but your mention of "Haglunds Deformity" seems to fit the bill. I unfortunately don't have any helpful info but am curious to see any positive responses. |
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I'm not dealing with this problem, but on the topic of heel cups being "too loose" scarpa is somewhat known for having a baggier or too large of a heel cup on most their models other than the boostic which has resolved that issue. The guy that designed the sportiva Miuras went to scarpa and designed the boostic and they fit very similar. Other than the boostic, which may not be helpful with this issue, the boostER, not boostIC, has a baggy heel and is a very high end performance shoe. You could also try the scarpa vapor, as they also have a "too" baggy heel cup. But again they fit similar to sportivas. |
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Hey Shain, |
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I have a pair of feroce's that dont have a very aggressive heel feel. They are a pretty stiff, downturned shoe so they edge well and I've been quite happy with their performance, but they dont wrench down on my heel like anasazis. you might also try the shaman, even in sizes which are quite tight on my feet the heel doesnt seem to dig in to my achilles, and I quite like the shoe. |
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JCM wrote:I have (mild) Haglunds on the back of both heels. I find that the Sportiva heel cup, which tends to have more space in the back to accommodate the Haglunds bumps, seems to work best. This heel cup seems to conform just right to the entire contour of my heel, spreading out the pressure. By comparison, the heel of the 5.10 and Evolv shoes has a straighter back, which seems to put all the pressure right on the Haglunds bump. If you want a performance shoe, especially look into the Testarossa. They don't have much tension on the slingshot rand, so they put little to no tension on the heel. In fact, the primary fit complaint that people make about them is that the heel is too big/soft/loose etc. Not ideal for heel hooking, but probably good for you. Mine are sized very tight in the forefoot/toe (performance, yah), but the heel isn't tight at all.I have the opposite experience... the sportiva cups with the slingshot rands put pressure EXACTLY where mine hurts, while being loose everywhere else. I guess my "bump" is a little higher up my heel. I've found the flatter backs of the 5.10 and evolvs seem to distribute it over a wider area which is more bearable, thus i'm climbing in Galileo's right now. I'd love it if the sportiva stuff worked, i like their toeboxes. I'll have to check out your recommendation on the testarossa's. |
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Alex M. Smith wrote:Hey Shain, Have you by chance worn the Boostic/Booster? I've been curious about the fit of these, as I've heard they fixed the heel for the Boostic. I've currently got the Vapor V's (do the Vapor laces fit differently?), and they're giving me a lot of problems with my heel currently.I have not worn either of these shoes...I have done a lot of research and have heard from others that the boostic fits a lot like the miura, which I think is an incredible shoe. The heel never digs into my Achilles, but the stitching does scrape against my skin just to the right of my right foot Achilles, but I feel like that is shoe specific and may not be like that on other pairs. I would imagine that the vapor lace is different than the Velcro as is the case with most Velcro and lace counterparts. However the laces may allow you to tighten the shoe down on the very top of the foot better than the Velcro version, allowing for the heel to stay on better. I do know that scarpas are very similar to most sportivas, but other than that I can't really answer the question more specifically I'm sorry. I would definitely try out the boostic if your having too loose of heel cup issues. Good luck with finding the right shoe!!! |
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I read somewhere about making a T shaped cut on the back of a shoe to relieve the pressure point. Anyone ever tried it on climbing shoes? |
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Larry S wrote: I have the opposite experience... the sportiva cups with the slingshot rands put pressure EXACTLY where mine hurts, while being loose everywhere else. I guess my "bump" is a little higher up my heel. I've found the flatter backs of the 5.10 and evolvs seem to distribute it over a wider area which is more bearable, thus i'm climbing in Galileo's right now. I'd love it if the sportiva stuff worked, i like their toeboxes. I'll have to check out your recommendation on the testarossa's. Yeah, the bumps on my heel are really really low, so they fall below the sportiva slingshot. This makes the heel cup *very* secure when heel hooking. I can definitely see how, with a higher bump, the Sportiva heel would not work out for you. I guess the only real solution is to find a shop with a ton of shoes to choose from, and try on everything until you find something that works. This is pretty much what I have to do whenever I want to try a new model of shoe. |
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Larry, I got the same problem as you and have tried for years to find a solution. Surgery was 1 but not a very good solution. |
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I have the silicone pad/sock thing. it's OK with normal shoes, but on climbing shoes just seemed to make the shoe tighter and didn't help. Compounding the issue is my right foot, the foot with the issue, is also half a size larger than my left, so if i get one comfy enough for my right foot, it's huge on my left. I've been thinking of trying to find some evolv's that work for me because they will sell two different sized shoes off their website. |
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Larry S wrote:I read somewhere about making a T shaped cut on the back of a shoe to relieve the pressure point. Anyone ever tried it on climbing shoes?Hi Larry, I know you posted this over a year ago, but I thought I would reply since I've tried this now. I've got Haglunds deformity as well - I tried this today and it was instant relief! I didn't use a T-shaped cut, but my friend just cut a small (vertical) slit right where I thought most of the pressure would be if my foot was in the shoe. Doesn't seem to be the best for heel hooking, but I was able climb the rest of the day with much less pain (heel hooks and all). |
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I drill a hole in the back of some of my shoes, file down the edge of the hole. |
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I have pretty big Haglunds deformities on the back of both heels. Large enough that dress shoes hurt, even if sized large due to the stiff backs. I find that the La Sportiva pythons are super comfortable. On the other hand, every pair of Evolv shoes that I have worn have been excruciating. Also, 5.10 shoes haven't necessarily been painful but the heel always feels really insecure as the bump makes for some slop back there. This is even true with a pair of Team VXi shoes that I downsized to a size 39 from my street shoe of 41. I have a pair of Pythons in size 38.5 that I could wear all day but still suction onto my heals and in general fit my feet super tight (but very comfortable). Anyone who climbs with me knows I always joke about how great LS Pythons are, but I think more than performance is how well they fit my heels despite the Haglunds bumps. |
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I know this is old but I was wondering what you guys think about approach shoes. |
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Lindsay Powers wrote:I know this is old but I was wondering what you guys think about approach shoes. I have a pair of guide tennies that actually gave me the haglunds heel and I'm pretty nervous to continue wearing them. I'm in Katanas for climbing and the sprotiva heel cup seems to distribute the pressure evenly. Anyone with a similar fit in sportiva climbing shoes have a rec for approach shoes? I'm also interested in manipulating the back of shoes so I could potentially keep my guide tennies, if anyone's had any experience with that.Lindsay - I just saw your post on here. I don't have much to offer - I can wear my guide tennies all day, but i have them sized a little loose. I am aware of them hitting that spot, but it's not terrible. Katana's however, are the shoe I blame for the initial aggravation on my heel. For recommendations, I also have a pair of the La Sportiva Boulder-X approach shoes - and they are fantastic shoes - every other approach shoe i've worn/owned feels sloppy in comparison. I've no issues with my heel in those, but i've been careful to avoid situations that cause it to flare up lately. |
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Never had any problems with approach or any shoes other than high slingshot climbing shoes. Sorry I can't help you there. I would be surprised that approach shoes would hurt but your climbing shoes wouldn't. I am also back to wearing my Vipers and Miuras. Never thought that would be possible without surgery. |
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I have bursitis on my right heel which may be due to downsizing my shoes too drastically. So far the Miura's have been very comfortable, especially when they've stretched a bit after purchasing a snug pair. |
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bursitis is tentonitus of the achillies tendon. Its soar, inflamed, and tender. Putting your body in stress is the best way to fix this. It takes months. Resting doesn't allow your body to build up strength. Just work it out, lay off the high performance shoes and use it until it hurts and burns. It will go away, but sucks in the process. I shattered both my heels so I'm kind of a expert. I have / had every 'itis you can imagine to a severe level. You might want to try a SMALL heel cup for a bit then get off it as it causes high heel syndrome. Just use it on and off. Its just pain. |
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Rocknice2, congrats on figuring out a solution and thank you for sharing it with us, especially the pic of your TC Pros. I saw your prior post from May 2013, and it's great you've found an approach that allowed you to climb a 23-pitch route without abnormal pain. I think all of us struggling with haglund's deformity (retrocalcaneal bursitis, pump bump, Achilles tendonitis) hope the same for ourselves. |