What are these?
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I saw something similar to these in Poudre Canyon but looked pretty old |
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M Sprague wrote: I found where Dave mentioned them on the Team Tough siteYeah, that's the post I saw. |
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Hmm....there are rams-horns at the top of almost every route here in Badami, India. Haven't heard of any accident yet and I've rappelled off these innumerable times. A rope escaping the pigtail or ramshorn during a rappel just seems so improbable but then the videos GroeWaz linked show otherwise. |
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Hmm, a demonstration of how "easy" it is to get the rope out when it isn´t correctly installed to start with is a bit curious..... |
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GroeWaZ wrote:See videos (sorry I could only find them on FB): facebook.com/photo.php?v=67… facebook.com/video.php?v=67… Google translate of the report here: translate.google.com/transl… Crisco Jackass wrote: Mountaineering groups in the Alps have recently panned these "pigtails" for rappelling in their journal "bergundsteigen" as prone to unclipping. Actual piece is in German and Google translate butchers it, but this version is fairly readable.Rope is only clipped to one side of the pigtails in both the Youtube Video and in the google translated link posted by Crisco. Isn't this a case of incorrect use of the equipment, rather than the equipment fail? In the video, they had to flick the rope until the "tail" of the pigtails was pointing away from the rock, then apply a sideward force in order to get the rope out of the pigtail. I'd like to see them do a test with both side of the pigtails clipped. I think it would be highly unlikely they can produce the same failure. |
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I can unclipped a carabiner by doing the same thing. |
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They are lower offs. Not climb above, do 3 summersaults, twist sideways, and pulls. |
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Curious where the NH crew is sourcing them |
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Those videos show some very interesting rappel conditions. |
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mattm wrote:Curious where the NH crew is sourcing them From? Direct from Jim or a US distributor. Running the numbers these are a better value than my current Mussy setup with all the damn QLs but my order size would make it cost prohibitive to ship from Germany I suspectDirect. We don´t really sell the 12mm ones any more as we need to re-tool for them and they aren´t really such a good deal for the customer when you look at the lifespan for the dollar. The price quoted somewhere above is not the US cost, it includes the European tax of 19% which is removed for export. A 10mm 316 stainless ramshorn costs a US customer 7.90 which is $8.86 with the miserable value of the Euro at the moment. The freight on around 20 of the things works out at $2.00 each. The Rumney Climbers Association get a discounted price as do all bolt funds and were carried as luggage back to the USA to reduce the cost. |
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Nice! Once I see how Dave and Chris are configuring them I may be getting some to try on single pitch routes elsewhere. |