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DesStone · · Washington UT · Joined Sep 2014 · Points: 0

What is is the best tag line for aid?

Clint Helander · · Anchorage, AK · Joined Dec 2007 · Points: 612

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Rob WardenSpaceLizard · · las Vegans, the cosmic void · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 130

What are you doing with it? Do you need to haul is it just an umbilical to get gear ferrying duty. Most use static 8mm. I use 5 mm as a tag and light hauling of a 40 lb or less bag with a micro trax. or 8.3 mm imlay canyoneering rope because it's light strong with a thick sheath.its also crazy cheap. Way cheaper than other options. fine for jugging fine for hauling. People might give you shit about it. However it's a good option. Edelrid makes a sweet ass tag that's 6.5 mm static until it becomes dynamic at 2-3kn and good for rappelling and Hauling.

20 kN · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2009 · Points: 1,346

Skip the tag and just use 1 dynamic and 1 static. You can use the static to tag stuff up as needed up to about 100' into the pitch. Once you are more than 100' out, you're probably close to the end of the pitch anyway. Keep things simple and light.

Rob WardenSpaceLizard · · las Vegans, the cosmic void · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 130

hes got the ticket. one dynamic and one 8mm static, its the same set up i use for walls. However, for short stuff, or free climbs where its just food and water coming up. i use the 5mm, its been great for hauling 40-50Lbs.

DesStone · · Washington UT · Joined Sep 2014 · Points: 0

Good info. I guess I was referring to diameter. What's safe to jug on and also having a cinch as a backup if it will catch on that small of a diameter. I suppose tying back up knots is the preferred method when using an 8mm?

Daniel Chambo · · Chapel Hill, NC · Joined Nov 2013 · Points: 85
Rob Warden, Space Lizard wrote:hes got the ticket. one dynamic and one 8mm static, its the same set up i use for walls. However, for short stuff, or free climbs where its just food and water coming up. i use the 5mm, its been great for hauling 40-50Lbs.
I'm thinking doing the little haul bag thing for long free climbs. Liking the idea of climbing without a pack but still having my goodies when I'm belying the follower up. How long is your 5mm cord? Do yiu use it for pull cord on rappel or just the hauling? What bag do you use? Was thinking something metolius mescalito.
Rob WardenSpaceLizard · · las Vegans, the cosmic void · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 130

so i got 100ms of 5mm cord. i cut it to 30m and 70m. the 70 is somtimes usefull new routing. the 30 is the line i use more. i use the smallest Metolius haul pack. even its a little big. you bring space you fill space, ect. my friend has made a 15L little tag bag out of a Imlay canyon potshot by putting pack straps on it. hauling 5mm with a mircotrax is all right. I use my Metolius bag for my bolt kit on replacement days. I am doing glue so its more stuff

DesStone · · Washington UT · Joined Sep 2014 · Points: 0

I learn much better by seeing not reading. When you have time I'll be there..

Rob WardenSpaceLizard · · las Vegans, the cosmic void · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 130

Des stone. 8mm is the smallest line my jugs and back up are rated for. If you use the cinch I don't know if you need the back up knots. The cinch bends the rope to gain traction on the core. I use a camp lift on a chest harness and two jugs and have done some anecdotal testing that shows the lift climbing a fully sheathed rope. It's fast easy feels pretty safe. I don't know of any toothed or cammed rope grab devices that go below 8mm.

20 kN · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2009 · Points: 1,346
Steve Levin wrote: -6mm is generally too thin to use with a >9mm lead line during double rope rappels.
No it's not. I have been using 6mm for a second rap line for years. I have even paired it with 11mm.

Anyway, I would go with a 10 - 10.5mm dynamic for lead and 9 - 10mm static for the hauling and call it a day. If you are mostly doing aid lines, go with the thicker ropes, if mostly doing free, go with the thinner.
Steve Levin · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 952
20 kN wrote: No it's not. I have been using 6mm for a second rap line for years. I have even paired it with 11mm.
Good on you for making a 6mm work with an 11mm. My personal experience is quite different. For me the pronounced slippage resulting from such disparate rope diameters is at best tedious, and at worst potentially dangerous. I'll stand by my original statement.

As a side note, Imlay Canyon Gear does not recommend using their 6mm pull cord (2200lbs test strength) as a weight-bearing strand, i.e. for rappelling. Only as a pull cord.
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