What Nobody is Saying About the Dawn Wall
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Did you seriously post a link to your own blog and call it 'an interesting thought? That's funny. And kinda sad. |
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"If anyone else were pinkpointing, toproping, rehearsing in the Valley, they would be blackballed (ex: Skinner/Piana)" |
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I got one thing from the blog. The author is a douche. |
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nicelegs wrote:I got one thing from the blog. The author is a douche. I won't pee in his shoes if I ever run into him but maybe someone else should.It wasnt a terrible read and it was just an opinion no matter how douchy it was the way he threw it at us. Any way you look at it those guys up there are kicking some serious ass. ON ANOTHER NOTE------> Which one of you "traddies" want to bet they use a gri-gri at every single belay? YEAH ONLY SPORTOS USE GRIGRIS |
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Rob Dillon wrote:"If anyone else were pinkpointing, toproping, rehearsing in the Valley, they would be blackballed (ex: Skinner/Piana)" Thanks for your input, 1982.LOL! |
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Three thoughts:
Thanks reboot, at first I didn't realize it was the OP saying, "Check out this interesting viewpoint" (that I wrote myself). |
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What was the ethic used on the first ascent of El Cap again? Most of us celebrate that achievement while realizing the style had room to evolve. |
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Colonel Mustard wrote:What was the FA ethic used on the first ascent of El Cap again? Most of us celebrate that achievement while realizing the style had room to evolve. I see this siege effort as a way to cement the route into a single thing, rather than as discrete pitches to be red-pointed (or the derogated pink-point, as the case may be) ad hoc. Perhaps my thinking is off, I really don't know the big wall playbook. The question is what is adventure? The OP seems to fashion this example a little bluntly towards his uses if that question is the sole intent. A lot of the examples seem to reduce the particulars of this undertaking to make their point, and therefore wind up looking a little a bit silly. Is this adventure like going to the moon (where astronauts also had ground support), or is it in adventure in strongly pushing the difficulty of our craft forward? What's pretty fucking cool in its own right is when millions are cheering a couple of guys towards a goal like this; not one team of players against another, soldiers against soldiers, but the vision and talent of our own kind in an affirmation of human spirit.TL;DR |
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Yeah, I could do what they're doing......but I don't think there's enough "adventure" in it..... |
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Yvon Chouinard, in the movie '180 degrees south', said that the word 'adventure' is over used nowadays and that he really only considers something an adventure when everything planned goes wrong. That was an interesting tid bit to think about. |
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Climbing friends, |
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To elaborate on Malcom's reply, every generation advances standards by finding ways around the restrictions previous generations imposed on themselves. This is typically the only way to make progress, since the previous generation is usually good enough to do almost everything that can be done with the restrictions they've embraced. |
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spencerparkin wrote:I care about what climbing celebrities do only so far as they're 1) not dying and 2) maintaining access for the rest of us. That said, I think some people take climbing too seriously. Climbing is not the end-all, be-all of life. (I suppose, however, that this must be the case if you're visiting a website with the subtitle, "For the purists, dirtbags, and salty oldtimers who live climbing.") What you climbed in this life won't matter in the here-after, (if you believe in that sort of thing.) If you don't, then I suppose climbing may actually be the most important thing in this life. But otherwise, it just doesn't matter.There will be no having of the hereafter, as it does no exist, so yes, glorious flashing of many hard route is the most important thing. |
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Aleks Zebastian wrote: There will be no having of the hereafter, as it does no exist, so yes, glorious flashing of many hard route is the most important thing.The hereafter would be like a redpoint, so there is no hereafter, only the flash climbing friend |
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Mark Lewis wrote:Yvon Chouinard, in the movie '180 degrees south', said that the word 'adventure' is over used nowadays and that he really only considers something an adventure when everything planned goes wrong. That was an interesting tid bit to think about.He is also quoted in that movie as saying that adventures are all about the journey and not the destination. Regarding this Dawn Wall project, you could apply that in two ways I suppose. One way to interpret is that these two guys are enjoying their journey so who else should care how they choose to reach the destination. Or, another way to interpret is that they are choosing the wrong way to approach their journey. I believe in To Each His Own, so I have to go with the former interpretation. Who cares if they rehearse pitches on TR before RP'ing, they arent affecting future climbers enjoyment of their own journey unless people let it affect them. |
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Tommy and Kevin are going to feel silly when Alex free solos it in three hours next spring. |
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Okay, so, people will probably claim that I am only doing this to get this inane post back up on the homepage. As someone else mentioned before in the comments, "haters gonna hate". |
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Chris Kalman wrote:Okay, so, people will probably claim that I am only doing this to get this inane post back up on the homepage. As someone else mentioned before in the comments, "haters gonna hate". I am writing this not to popularize my previous post, or to whore out my site, or whatever else people might accuse me of. I am writing this to try and give an explanation, and a context, to the article I wrote about the Dawn Wall. Take it or leave it, MP. It's all good to me. fringesfolly.com/2015/01/06…Right, it's not like you also pimped your shit on climbing.com Chris - 01/05/2015 10:36:37 wrote:"Interesting to see what lengths the climbing media will go to to document this send. What does it mean about climbing today? Interesting thoughts on that at fringesfolly.com/2015/01/05…And I imagine any other climbing related media you could think of. All without ever mentioning that you're the author of the article... Interesting to see what lengths the exposure whores will go to to promote their writing/blog/opinion, regardless of their vehement denial. Clik bait is clik bait, even the title of your piece gives it away. |
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Chris Kalman wrote:I am writing this not to popularize my previous post, or to whore out my site, or whatever else people might accuse me of.Except that is what you do. There was a discussion going on this you could have added to, but you just made a new post to pimp your link without saying it was yours. You did the same thing when Honnold and others got the boot from Clif Bar. There was a thread going, but you started a new one to again present a "good article" without mentioning you were its author. When someone immediately pointed out the existing discussion, you just added your "interesting article" link there too. It rubs me the wrong way. The new topics show you either aren't interested enough in these forums to see that a discussion on the topic is already underway, or you think your views merit a new thread so they aren't lost in the ongoing discussion. In any case presenting your blog without attribution (yet still giving it props!) is disingenuous. You don't seem to want to participate in this community, but to use it as a launch pad for yourself. |