BD Cyborg Pro vs Grivel G14

I need a pair of crampons for LS Nepal Evos I got as backups.

I narrowed it down to Cyborg Pros and Grivel G14

Which are a better fit for Nepal Evo GTX

This will be for vertical ice, steep snow, WI4 or less and some mixed/dry tooling.

I searched and some say cyborgs are a better fit and some say g14s.

Both can run single or mono points.

Those who used both, which do you prefer? no need for long bars as this is in 42.

Cyborgs have a slight edge due to easily finding replacement for front points.

Thanks,

Roman

Grivel Steel / antibots are better. I think the leverlock is as well, but not sure.

Position of Cyborg front and secondary points is superior, IMHO.

Fit is fine for both.

I climb on G14s with Baturas and the fit is good. I've climbed ice, mixed, some snow, and dry tooling and they perform well on all fronts.

Crampons last much longer than grivel usa's interest in supplying replacement parts. I would go BD in the interest of that alone. I personally got burned on this a few years back, maybe it's better now? Nothing like having a fairly new, but totally useless pair of crampons. BTW, I'm not talking hard to get replacement parts, I'm talking non-existent.

Roman G wrote:Cyborgs have a slight edge due to easily finding replacement for front points. Thanks, Roman

I have both pairs and both pairs fit my nepals just fine. I like both pairs. Weight is basically the same. I climb converted to mono most of the time.

I would say that the only place that givel has the edge over the bd is in the depth under foot. I noticed this past summer in Europe that I wished I had a little more bite in alpine snow conditions. Otherwise, both are very similiar other than what is obvious - stainless vs chromolly, the difference in anti-balling (I find both work but for wet snow, the grivel get's the edge).

I find myself using the bd a lot more for whatever unknown subconconcious reason.

Seems like the best thread to ask this in - folks that climb with the Grivel G14's (especially with LS Nepal Evos) - are your front points angled in?

I'm looking to replace my old BD Bionics, and I'm used to the front points being relatively in line with the boot. Tried on my buddy's Cyborgs, and got the same feel. Tried on a pair of G14s at Neptune, and the front point were noticeably angled in (enough that it looked like I'd have to kick with my foot angled out in order to get front points in straight). Seems like it'd make for a more natural stance, but not the best for kicking.

Thoughts?