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Oak Flat, S339 Moving Again!!! Please take a minute!
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letters sent and petitions signed again |
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I learned a new word today: Cloture |
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85 of 100 Senators are pretty much saying "get it (the voting) over with", sounds like a done deal (even if final vote will probably not be quite so lobsided) :-( |
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I would literally fly out there and protest the shit out of this if it goes through and they try and start ripping this place apart. I might need a sponsor though, cash is at an all time low right now. |
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This is devastating. |
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the couple of days I spent bouldering and camping here were amazing, the landscape is like no other place I've been to |
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I really do not understand how our political system has gotten so fucking corrupt that they can hide items completely unrelated to the main bill. Need I ask who is going to benefit from this? Greedy bastards! |
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^ The politicians that are getting PAID FAT to push this through, that's who. |
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hows that Obama sticker looking on the prius now? |
Miike wrote:hows that Obama sticker looking on the prius now?^huh? The guy that ran against Obama the first time is the main asshole pushing this through. If (when?) this passes in the Senate, Obama might be the only guy that could stop this. Will he though?... |
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NDAA bills have been passed without fail for like 50 years in a row, there's no way that (realistically) Obama will veto the final bill. |
Red wrote: ^huh? The guy that ran against Obama the first time is the main asshole pushing this through. If (when?) this passes in the Senate, Obama might be the only guy that could stop this. Will he though?...GUARANTEE NOPE |
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It's not really about Obama, he might not personally be in favor of the land-swap part, but he's obviously not gonna leave the DOD unfunded for 2015 fiscal year in order to prevent it from happening. |
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sure its not about Obama, its about the crooked policies that we all blindly let happen by thinking that voting for one party or another is going to make the world better. |
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It's politics, it's not a question of who is better but who is "less bad". |
Miike wrote:I would literally fly out there and protest the shit out of this if it goes through and they try and start ripping this place apart...niice mike ditto if I thought it could help.. Senate speech from the floor I hope more speeches like this continue.. Thank you Utah Senator Mike Lee Mr./Madam President, the bill before us today at once represents the best of our nation, and some of the worst of Washington. On the one hand, the primary purpose of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) represents the best of America. In past years, it has been one of the few consistently bipartisan pieces of legislation considered by the Senate, and it has usually been afforded lengthy debate and an open and transparent amendment process on the floor. That’s because it is one of the most important and solemn duties of the Congress to provide for the men and women who protect our nation... ..Of all the bills that come before Congress, the NDAA deserves to be treated with the kind of integrity and respect with which our military personnel approach their jobs every day. And yet the process that has unfolded this year has fallen far short of the standard they set for us: Congress has waited until the last minute to conduct our most important business, using the holidays to fabricate a false sense of urgency; the Senate Majority Leader has refused to allow an open and transparent debate, shutting down our ability to offer amendments on the Senate floor; and finally, only a privileged few members of Congress had a hand in drafting this bill, which was cobbled together with numerous extraneous provisions behind closed doors. What used to be an exception to the typical legislative sausage making, has been subsumed by the status quo. And it’s exactly what is wrong with Washington today. Mr./Madam President, each one of us, as members of Congress, is here for just one reason: we were elected to represent and serve the American people. Unfortunately, the twisted, tainted process that has produced this bill prevents all of us from carrying out this responsibility... and it threatens our obligation to do what is right for our men and women in uniform. As the title suggests, the National Defense Authorization Act is supposed to be a relatively straightforward, largely noncontroversial bill. It is the primary legislative instrument for Congress to exercise its constitutional power – granted in Article I, Section 8 – to “provide for the common Defense.” But that’s not what we’re voting on today. This bill – the NDAA for fiscal year 2015 – is a legislative hodgepodge that includes those straightforward, noncontroversial items that almost all of us support, but also numerous other provisions that are unrelated to national defense. Most egregiously, the drafters secretly added 68 unrelated bills pertaining to the use of federal lands – the so-called “lands package” – into this bill without any opportunity for debate or a vote. None of these bills were included in the version of the NDAA that the Senate Armed Services Committee debated and voted on in May of this year... because, had any member tried to include them in the normal process, they clearly would have been ruled out of the committee’s jurisdiction... ..This is not how Congress is supposed to work. Congress is supposed to evaluate, debate, and amend individual pieces of legislation on their own merits – with enough time to inform and educate the American people about what their representatives are doing. Instead, it’s politics as usual in Washington. Rather than an open, transparent, and inclusive process, several extraneous – sometimes controversial – provisions were added to the NDAA at the last minute by a select few operating behind closed doors. And, as we’ve come to expect from the outgoing majority in the Senate, once the bill appears from behind those closed doors, the American people are denied any real debate or even a chance to read – let alone amend – the bill... ..Now, at the eleventh hour, we’re told that we have to vote for everything in this legislative medley or vote for none of it. After deliberately allowing time to expire up to the final moments before the holidays, the Senate Majority Leader has told the American people that the only way to support our soldiers is to support a distorted legislative process and controversial items that have never been debated in public. Many of my colleagues have said that this is a “must-pass” bill. I would put it slightly differently. I would say: we must pass legislation – without political gimmicks or procedural games – that enables the men and women serving in our Defense Department to fulfill their missions. We absolutely must pay our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines, and authorize our national defense budget. As a matter of constitutional responsibility, national security, and moral duty, we must do these things. But not like this. - Utah Senator Mike Lee |
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Mike, you're the kind of ignorant voter that put the congress in that is going to push this bill through thanks dummy. |
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Good speech! |
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a friend of mine wrote a letter to Rachel Maddow |
kirra wrote:a friend of mine wrote a letter to Rachel Maddow last night- RioTinto's sneaky political game was called out on national TV. I just want to publicly say thanks S.B. way 2Go whoot!! msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/wat…Nice to know how Rio Tinto is partnered with Iran... if this kind of BS isnt enough to start breaking the trends of voting for your favorite party I dont know what is. Even maddow throws out a little "change" joke |
