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Indian Creek Superbowl Campground visit from the Sheriff

Suzy Stoke · · Salt Lake City, UT · Joined Dec 2013 · Points: 450

Our campsite receive a visit from the Sherriff the night of November 29th. We were camped at SuperBowl #11-#12. It was quite a hilarious encounter actually, as we were in the midst of talking about smoking weed. (Luckily none of us had any in plain sight). The Sheriff walked up, without announcing himself, and stated he heard us talking about our friend smoking weed.

When he realized that we weren't in fact smoking weed, and it was just a friend, the Sheriff quickly re-directed the conversation into 'Are you all 21 years old' because he saw the ample bottles of whiskey, wine, and beer strewn about the site.

Then, after his efforts to catch some dirt-bag climbers for drugs in Utah were thwarted, the sheriff proceeded to question the over-arching reason for climbers smoking ganja in the first place? Needless to say, he left without any arrests and hopefully some good insight to the climbing community.

Jah Love,

Suzy

Morgan Patterson · · NH · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 8,945
Suzy Stoke wrote: Then, after his efforts to catch some dirt-bag climbers for drugs in Utah were thwarted, the sheriff proceeded to question the over-arching reason for climbers smoking ganja in the first place?
I think this is a tactic and not a friendly one...

whotv.com/2014/10/09/ankeny…

Next time you see someone creeping around in the woods, call it in as a crazy unstable man with a gun stalking people in the campgrounds. Maybe the cops will shoot first and ask questions later as usual...
Cor · · Sandbagging since 1989 · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 1,445

I telling ya…

Everyone should film EVERY encounter they have with police at the creek.
They have been bending the rules, and pushing the limits of what is acceptable for years now.

Get enough of those film clips on the interweb, and let's see how a movement to
curb this bad behavior is formed. They might just break a rule some time, and if it is on
film they get in trouble. Without that happening, they will just go about that shit as usual, as they
know that no one is giving them the cop watch.

It is most obvious that they are not protecting & serving the community.
They are going out of the way to break peoples balls for whatever it may be…

Tradster · · Phoenix, AZ · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 0

Cops don't risk their lives to save you. Think of Columbine. The SWAT team WAITED until all the shooting stopped before they went in. SWAT teams always do this...wait, wait, wait. The cop's number one goal is go home safely. Think of Feguson: they stood around while business owners watched their businesses go up in flames. And I'm not really anti-cop, I just don't trust them because they are always looking to roust somebody to get their steroided jollies.

The Blueprint Part Dank · · FEMA Region VIII · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 460
Tradster wrote:Cops don't risk their lives to save you. Think of Columbine. The SWAT team WAITED until all the shooting stopped before they went in. SWAT teams always do this...wait, wait, wait. The cop's number one goal is go home safely. Think of Feguson: they stood around while business owners watched their businesses go up in flames. And I'm not really anti-cop, I just don't trust them because they are always looking to roust somebody to get their steroided jollies.
Man, I completely agree in the need to resist the police state, however, my current boss was the second officer on the scene at Columbine, he left the JeffCo sheriff's department a couple of years later because it's hard to process such things in one's career. But I assure you no one was "waiting around" that day, miscommunication and not malice lead to a slow response, but every single deputy and officer was without hesitation that day
Andrew Gram · · Salt Lake City, UT · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 3,725

I'm so glad the creek is an insane honeypot for the rest of the desert.

Tradster · · Phoenix, AZ · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 0
The Blueprint Part Dank wrote: Man, I completely agree in the need to resist the police state, however, my current boss was the second officer on the scene at Columbine, he left the JeffCo sheriff's department a couple of years later because it's hard to process such things in one's career. But I assure you no one was "waiting around" that day, miscommunication and not malice lead to a slow response, but every single deputy and officer was without hesitation that day
Thanks for the claification. However, not trusting the cops is a good standard to follow. A cop will lie to get into your house or to search your vehicle by saying they don't need a warrant when they don't even have probable cause to roust you. I personally had this happen to me three months ago.
J A · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2006 · Points: 45

When law enforcement officers pursue and arrest someone who has just committed a theft or a violent assault their personal motivation is often a real desire protect other people from being similarly victimized. In such situations society authorizes the use of force, surveillance and other transgressions against personal/constitutional rights because we all share the motivation to protect others from such victimization. When law enforcement officers pursue and arrest someone for doing something that harms themselves, like consuming potentially unhealthy drugs or alcohol (during those times when it has been criminalized) it is rare that their personal motivation is to stop that person from victimizing themselves. In such situations society authorizes the use of force, surveillance and other transgressions against personal/constitutional rights because _______________(?). Police are just people with power that will inevitably be abused in some situations, because all people are imperfect and most suffer from some form of prejudice or sometimes allow themselves to take things too personally. The irrational criminalization of non-victimizing behavior and making enforcement of those laws part of a police officer’s duties invites further irrational behavior that can be abusive, bullying and excessive. It brings out the worst in people and can draw some of the worst people into the work.

jondsheldahl · · Cedar Falls, Iowa · Joined Dec 2013 · Points: 5
R. Moran wrote:Campsite crime rates at the creek are some of the highest in the nation. I feel much safer with LEO's undercover helping eliminate the possibility of Narco trafficking Navajos abducting me in my sleep. The only thing sad about us is we have to listen to your posts
not gonna lie, i thought you were being serious at first.
frankstoneline · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2009 · Points: 30
Andrew Gram wrote:I'm so glad the creek is an insane honeypot for the rest of the desert.


Honeypot.
JeffL · · Salt Lake City · Joined Jun 2012 · Points: 65

We drove into the creek about a month ago, at the turn off to 211 there were 3 sheriff's waiting. One of them proceeded to follow us the entire drive in with his high beams on.

I've heard of a sheriff looking into car Windows mid day looking for open containers in plain sight. Put your empty cans in a trash bag and not in the front seat I guess. I too am for recording any interactions with the law in Indian creek

Eric G. · · Saratoga Springs, NY · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 70
Brassmonkey wrote:Its sad how ignorant you guys are.
You remind me of my grandpa.
Tradster · · Phoenix, AZ · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 0
JeffL wrote:We drove into the creek about a month ago, at the turn off to 211 there were 3 sheriff's waiting. One of them proceeded to follow us the entire drive in with his high beams on. I've heard of a sheriff looking into car Windows mid day looking for open containers in plain sight. Put your empty cans in a trash bag and not in the front seat I guess. I too am for recording any interactions with the law in Indian creek
Just on this alone, I'd never go there. Can you say facist pigs! It reminds me of the Stronghold here in southern AZ. Border Patrol everywhere and even on Middlemarch Road...where they expect you to stop even if they aren't flagging you down to do so. Rather ruins the vibe in my opinion. Babo is the same way, except they don't follow you down the dirt road to spy on you.
Eric G. · · Saratoga Springs, NY · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 70
JeffL wrote:We drove into the creek about a month ago, at the turn off to 211 there were 3 sheriff's waiting. One of them proceeded to follow us the entire drive in with his high beams on.
Your tax dollars at work.

Protect and Serve.
Hamilton Kibbe · · Somerville, MA · Joined Apr 2010 · Points: 71
frankstoneline wrote: Honeypot.
It's all the same in the dossi- NO!
darrell hodges · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2008 · Points: 380

Regarding the SWAT teams at Columbine:

County SWAT Commander Terry Manwaring, whose team entered the school but
proceeded at a glacial pace, said: “I just knew (the killers) were armed and
were better equipped than we were.” SWAT team members had flak jackets,
submachine guns, and fully automatic M-16s–rather more formidable protection
and weaponry than the teenagers’ shotguns, semiautomatic rifle, and shoddy TEC-9
handgun (which Clinton ludicrously described as an “assault pistol”).

SWAT teams made no effort to confront the killers in action, but devoted
their efforts to repeatedly frisking students and marching them out of the
building with their hands on their heads. Jefferson County Undersheriff John
Dunaway bragged to the Denver Post that the evacuation of students “was about as
close to perfect under the circumstances as it could be.” Even though none of
the SWAT teams came under hostile fire, Denver SWAT officer Jamie Smith claimed:
“I don’t know how you could have thrown in another factor that would have made
things more difficult for us.”

Television cameras captured a SWAT team creeping toward the school behind a
firetruck, each officer taking one small step after another, with the group
hunched together as if expecting an attack at any moment. This maneuver occurred
long after the perpetrators were dead.
The American Spectator, August,1999

SWAT team members did not reach the room where the killers lay until at least
three hours after the shooting stopped. Wounded teacher Dave Sanders died,
perhaps because the team took four hours to reach the room he was in, even
though students had placed a large sign announcing “1 Bleeding to Death” in the
window."

They didn't save anyone.

mediocre · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2013 · Points: 0

The cops just need to re-up their stash, they were probably just shopping. Everyone knows cops have the best drugs.

Tradster · · Phoenix, AZ · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 0
darrell hodges wrote:Regarding the SWAT teams at Columbine: County SWAT Commander Terry Manwaring, whose team entered the school but proceeded at a glacial pace, said: “I just knew (the killers) were armed and were better equipped than we were.” SWAT team members had flak jackets, submachine guns, and fully automatic M-16s–rather more formidable protection and weaponry than the teenagers’ shotguns, semiautomatic rifle, and shoddy TEC-9 handgun (which Clinton ludicrously described as an “assault pistol”). SWAT teams made no effort to confront the killers in action, but devoted their efforts to repeatedly frisking students and marching them out of the building with their hands on their heads. Jefferson County Undersheriff John Dunaway bragged to the Denver Post that the evacuation of students “was about as close to perfect under the circumstances as it could be.” Even though none of the SWAT teams came under hostile fire, Denver SWAT officer Jamie Smith claimed: “I don’t know how you could have thrown in another factor that would have made things more difficult for us.” Television cameras captured a SWAT team creeping toward the school behind a firetruck, each officer taking one small step after another, with the group hunched together as if expecting an attack at any moment. This maneuver occurred long after the perpetrators were dead. The American Spectator, August,1999 SWAT team members did not reach the room where the killers lay until at least three hours after the shooting stopped. Wounded teacher Dave Sanders died, perhaps because the team took four hours to reach the room he was in, even though students had placed a large sign announcing “1 Bleeding to Death” in the window." They didn't save anyone.
Thanks! I knew this is what happened. SWAT teams are just fat wanna be posers who wish they were army rangers or special forces. TV makes them look like Sgt Yorks, but everytime I see news clips of SWAT teams all they seem to do is huddle behind some obstacle while fussing with their gear.
highaltitudeflatulentexpulsion · · Colorado · Joined Oct 2012 · Points: 35

Wally, if this thread manages to turn from "cops crushing cryptosoil in the campground" to "how fat was the columbine swat team" I'll owe you something. I don't know what, but it'll be something.

R. Moran · · Moab , UT · Joined Mar 2009 · Points: 140

So we all agree it's a waste of money and resources. But what is interesting to me is we have heard from a few people who were approached but no actions taken. Which really illustrates what a waste it is. Has anyone been cited or fined?

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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