Continue with onX Maps
Continue with Facebook
Need help. Lost Drone (DJI Phantom 2)
Chris Rice wrote:I went looking for the law on drones and there doesn't seem to be much continuity across states etc. It's pretty much a no mans land right now but it appears congress is supposed to address it "before long" - whatever that means :). But there does seem to be a lot of legitimate questions that need answered as regards safety (can't fly one over the airport etc) and privacy - taking photos or video of people sunbathing in their back yard etc as examples. It will be interesting. As with most things its not so much that the technology itself is bad but the ways in which people can (and no doubt will) abuse them.Maybe not a lot of agreement between states, but it's very clear in the national parks. Here's one of thousands of results if you Google *drones in national parks* |
Marc801 wrote: Maybe not a lot of agreement between states, but it's very clear in the national parks. Here's one of thousands of results if you Google *drones in national parks*Very true - National Parks are a no no for sure. I was thinking more "big picture" when I went looking for the laws. |
Chris Rice wrote: Very true - National Parks are a no no for sure. I was thinking more "big picture" when I went looking for the laws.The other universal law: no drones within 5 miles of any major airport. |
Steve Williams wrote:Good. You're lucky you weren't caught because it's illegal to fly drones in National Parks in the US. Maybe I should forward this to the NPS and they can follow up and prosecute you.Did you not read his post? He was already fined. MP can be so freakin' inflammatory, it's nuts! |
|
Got this email yesterday... |
Jim Turner wrote:Got this email yesterday... Permanent TFRs issued for major sporting events and Disney properties On October 27, the FAA issued three Permanent Temporary Flight Restrictions (TFRs) creating restrictions for the airspace surrounding major sporting events and the Disney properties in Anaheim CA and Orlando FL. The new flight restrictions permanently prohibit the operation of unmanned and radio-controlled model aircraft within roughly 3.5 miles of both the Disneyland and Walt Disney World theme parks. The restrictions are also in place for a period of one hour before and one hour after major sporting events.Sounds like Disney paid off the FAA... so everyone with 3.5 miles of these parks can't fly remote controlled planes and helicopters? Seems like a bit of an overreach and a violation of many people's rights... Police state, welcome! |
|
It most likely has to do with the Disney and Angel's stadium putting on a nightly fireworks show. |
Mike Brady wrote:It most likely has to do with the Disney and Angel's stadium putting on a nightly fireworks show.Still wouldn't justify a 3.5mi radius ban 24/7. I would pose the question, why should flying a remote controlled plane in my yard on a Monday morning be illegal just because I live say 3 mi from a Disney park? My guess is they don't want folks getting those iconic aerial shots of the parks because they sell those shots to people. All in all, still seems like overreach and a law I wouldn't follow personally. |
Mike Brady wrote:It most likely has to do with the Disney and Angel's stadium putting on a nightly fireworks show.Bingo. If I am shooting explosives into the sky every night, I don't want some yahoo flying his drone around potentially ruining the show and endangering my customers and personnel. Although 3.5 miles is a very extensive area... Legislation either at the state or federal level is desperately needed in this area. I doubt the FAA wants to issue a TFR every time someone has a fireworks show or builds a ferris wheel. I personally enjoy the footage people are creating with drones and think it's much more intrusive to have helicopters flying through places like the Grand Canyon 20 times a day than for a small electric aircraft to be flying around making minimal noise, as long as the pilot is observing basic standards of safety. Those basic standards just need to be codified. |
|
Major theme parks, sporting events, races, etc have had Temporary Flight Restrictions around them when populated for as long as I can remember. The update just explicitly adds RC aircraft. The FAA has been getting mixed up a lot in the drone/FPV/UAV political and commercial battle lately, but it's interesting because there is a legal argument that the FAA has no authority at all over these devices. |
Rframe wrote: but it's interesting because there is a legal argument that the FAA has no authority at all over these devices.That's what I would think, these are model aircraft NOT aircraft. I think there should be a clear line drawn between models/toys and aircraft that transport people and goods. |
Morgan Patterson wrote: That's what I would think, these are model aircraft NOT aircraft. I think there should be a clear line drawn between models/toys and aircraft that transport people and goods.Correct, and Congress "tried" to make this clear in the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012. The FAA's own interpretation of this reads: Congress directed that the FAA may not “promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft, or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft” if the aircraft is being operated, or being developed to be operated, pursuant to the five criteria enumerated in the statute as described above. P.L. 112-95, section 336(a) |
|
The whole issue with the ability to take photos and video is also going to be a big issue from the privacy aspect. Not just a law enforcement thing but you and your lady friend making love in the wilderness could make you an instant porn star - not necessarily something you want to happen - along with any other number of scenarios. |
Rframe wrote: Correct, and Congress "tried" to make this clear in the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012. The FAA's own interpretation of this reads: Congress directed that the FAA may not “promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft, or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft” if the aircraft is being operated, or being developed to be operated, pursuant to the five criteria enumerated in the statute as described above. P.L. 112-95, section 336(a)Certainly reads pretty clearly to me... but we know how that goes in the govt. |
Chris Rice wrote:The whole issue with the ability to take photos and video is also going to be a big issue from the privacy aspect. Not just a law enforcement thing but you and your lady friend making love in the wilderness could make you an instant porn star - not necessarily something you want to happen - along with any other number of scenarios.Yeah... I'm super worried about this. |
|
Just to help clear any possibility of confusion I have cited the SOURCES from the above statements: |
|
recovering a lost drone sounds like booty to me. |
|
How hard is it to pack a crappy home made bomb like the one used in Boston and fly it into the middle of Disneyland with a drone? Not too far fetched. Modern model drones even let you fly them to a location autonomously. Given this I really have no problem with a restriction of these devices around large groups of people. Don't get me wrong... I love flying my quad copter, but would give up this trivial bit of freedom to assure some nut job doesn't blow mickeys a$$ away! |
Old Crusty wrote:How hard is it to pack a crappy home made bomb like the one used in Boston and fly it into the middle of Disneyland with a drone? Not too far fetched. Modern model drones even let you fly them to a location autonomously. Given this I really have no problem with a restriction of these devices around large groups of people. Don't get me wrong... I love flying my quad copter, but would give up this trivial bit of freedom to assure some nut job doesn't blow mickeys a$$ away! Timur, I hope you get your drone back!Because terrorists always check TFR's to avoid breaking the law before flying their exploding drones into a crowd... |
Rframe wrote: Because terrorists always check TFR's to avoid breaking the law before flying their exploding drones into a crowd...I always loved how lawmakers think the best way to prevent people from committing crimes is to make it illegal or red-tape difficult to do things that could lead to committing the crime. Sure, because criminals always have ethical conundrums with committing more than one crime. Most have a one a day limit. I say the drone is free for all. |
