PBR sold to the Russians! & bull$ !t GMO disscussion..

Rigggs24 wrote:Lets get this straight. Just because you do not think GMOs are all terrible does not mean you think Monsanto is a good company with great ethics. I dont like Monsanto. But im also not stupid enough to think all GMOs cause cancer and are bad for you. Many GMOs have very positive effects which is what J Albers was pointing out. Some have negative effects. I have no problem with labeling everything but i do have a problem with banning GMOs when some are the direct reason for thousands of people around the world not dieing from starvation. People protest these things without knowing the repercussions of their actions. As with everything people want it to be black and white when it is always grey. Just because one GMO is bad does not make all bad. I know this is a simple concept but almost everyone ignores it.

Bingo.

Tom Sherman wrote: Edit: and I f@#$%^ like PBR

Word. Ain't nothing wrong with a longneck Schlitz either. I love me some fine microbrews, but that doesn't mean I won't swill a High Life around the fire.

Jake Jones wrote: Owned by Pabst Brewing Co. headquartered in LA, CA. 'Murica.

Dammit just found this out myself..then it's Coors I guess. I do like the micros, but I only put one six pack in the cooler for myself and the wife when we head out. Always have to have cool ones on hand for both old and new friends.

i only drink local free range beer

rainier

gimme my vitamin R

England wrote: I've been enjoying PBR since my hay bailing days back in WV(twenty years ago), and way before the hipster thing. I've switched to Old Mill, but need to do some research to see if it's still American owned. Lucky Lager??? educated me.

Hay bailing sounds eerily like crossfit to me, boy! You sure you ain't no hipster?

Ah, nevermind on the Lucky Lager, turns out that stuffs brewed in Canuckastan. I don't remember the taste from teenage years but you'd get effed sho 'nuff and it had these little pictogram puzzles on the underside of the bottle cap. It was also a favorite of Brad Pitt's hillbilly psycho character in Kalifornia.

actually lucky lager is brewed on contract in cali, same as rainier

also never was brewed in canda, that's vancouver washington, greatest city in the USA
ha, or not, all this cheap swill ruins my memory

Ashort wrote:actually lucky lager is brewed on contract in cali, same as rainier also never was brewed in canda, that's vancouver washington, greatest city in the USA ha, or not, all this cheap swill ruins my memory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_Lager

Wiki seems to say Canada all the way for most of the brewing history, although it is now owned by Budweiser and therefore very likely to be brewed in Cali.

Additionally: Vancouver Island, located in British Columbia, Canada, northwest from the American state of Washington.

Border a little fast and loose up that way?

Kid Icarus wrote: Border a little fast and loose up that way?

like most things!

christopher adams wrote: People always fear what they don't understand.

^Ironically, a genetic pre-disposition likely responsible for us still being on Earth, but what's that matter, right?

I won't go as far as Morgan, but if you look up what minor changes in protein structures can do to a human, it's not outrageous to be wary of relatively un-researched products that are the result of toying with DNA/RNA, which dictate the building of proteins.

No, GMOs have not been proven to be fully and totally harmful, nor safe. But it's not a good precedent to take things coming out of a lab on a good until proven unsafe basis, especially when someone stands to make a lot of money from it.

Brendan Blanchard wrote: ^Ironically, a genetic pre-disposition likely responsible for us still being on Earth, but what's that matter, right? I won't go as far as Morgan, but if you look up what minor changes in protein structures can do to a human, it's not outrageous to be wary of relatively un-researched products that are the result of toying with DNA/RNA, which dictate the building of proteins. No, GMOs have not been proven to be fully and totally harmful, nor safe. But it's not a good precedent to take things coming out of a lab on a good until proven unsafe basis, especially when someone stands to make a lot of money from it.

I don't need to look it up- I've been doing that every day for the last 10 years because I do this for a living. I work in Biotech.

It'd be one thing if Monsanto and Cargill were engineering these things to produce tetrodotoxin- but they're not. Most of the research is used to increase resistance to molds and increase yield.

I'll tell you what- you have FAR more to fear from commercial pesticides and herbicides than you do of GMO food. But everyone understand how they work- they kill shit.

Nothing to fear there I guess?

I'm a little confused as i haven't been following this thread.. Is someone defending the Monsanto business model? Are we saying Mansanto is trying to feed other countries in need?

christopher adams wrote:Most of the research is used to increase resistance to molds and increase yield. I'll tell you what- you have FAR more to fear from commercial pesticides and herbicides than you do of GMO food.

The two things most heavily used on GMO crops. It's obviously not a single issue, it's a systemic one, but lets just reduce it down to one thing and yell about it. That seems like more fun.

Brendan Blanchard wrote: The two things most heavily used on GMO crops. It's obviously not a single issue, it's a systemic one, but lets just reduce it down to one thing and yell about it. That seems like more fun.

Two things least used on GMOs. That's why they set out a better mouse trap in the first place.

The real problem are intellectual property rights

Bill Kirby wrote: Two things least used on GMOs. That's why they set out a better mouse trap in the first place. The real problem are intellectual property rights

I'm not defending their business model- if there's a bone worth picking against them, that's it. I'm defending GMO as a way to reduce the amount of pesticides and herbicides used on food products, and to increase nutrition and crop yield.