Stop leaving tat on trees!!!!!!

Good point! Thx for posting this.

good pro wrote: be responsible and try to go back and clean it up!

Using a basket hitch might solve this problem.

This tat was on a ledge that had a walk off. Some climbers seem to be boisterous of their trouncing of the earth. I for one, try to have less impact. A wistful, falling leaf in the breeze....

No. If I want to get down and a tree is there for the slinging I will do whatever I damn well please.

What would you like us to do about rap stations that are the easiest/only way down?

Also, tat is rarely the sole purpose for a tree's death. Even if it constricts the tree's growth it will grow around it.

If anything, tat on a tree is more dangerous to humans due to individuals who do not check the status of that tat.

I think you are over reacting man.

Is this in AZ? Ya'll need some bolts down there

Trees are terrorists, just like their raptor friends.

mozeman wrote:Also, tat is rarely the sole purpose for a tree's death. Even if it constricts the tree's growth it will grow around it

What's the bid deal just a tree.

Nice pics. Big difference, though, between a tree growing in the woods and a small tree growing out of the rock. My picture shows a tree that was killed by webbing. The webbing holds humidity, creates rot and ruins these delicate trees.
No big deal they're just trees but no big deal you're just a climber, does that give you precedence to trounce out the earth? Sounds like a great attitude to have if you want to continue to have climbing access!
Whatever though, many of you on this site are too scared to climb, much less to down climb....

good pro wrote:Nice pics. Big difference, though, between a tree growing in the woods and a small tree growing out of the rock. My picture shows a tree that was killed by webbing. The webbing holds humidity, creates rot and ruins these delicate trees. No big deal they're just trees but no big deal you're just a climber, does that give you precedence to trounce out the earth? Sounds like a great attitude to have if you want to continue to have climbing access! Whatever though, many of you on this site are too scared to climb, much less to down climb....

Your image confuses me, that webbing looks way to clean to have been there long enough to kill the tree. My guess is that webbing was put on the tree after it died (if it is even dead because i have seen tons of trees with dead lower branches but are still alive).

Curious, I have seen many rope swings on trees, and they don't get killed, so why is it that webbing kills trees like the one in your picture.

It doesn't "strangle" the tree - if you tied a piece of cord around a tree and never touched it again, the tree would grow right over it just like the abandoned bicycles in those photos, and likely the tree wouldn't be any worse off for it.

Rap anchors that are frequently used can abrade the bark of the tree, and if enough bark wears away, especially circumferentially, that can kill the tree. (google girdling). Trampling of the dirt around the roots can also kill a tree, so any tree unfortunate enough to grow in a small, highly trafficked area (such as a belay ledge or cliff topout) can be damaged or killed as well, even if no anchor is ever slung around the actual tree.

Any tree growing along a popular route is at risk, just as any hiking trail will necessarily damage/kill/prevent the regrowth of any number of trees along its path. So, there's going to necessarily be a use vs preservation tradeoff.

that will 100% girdle the tree. no question.

I think it's just nature for things to get killed by other things. Deer scratch up trees with their antlers. Yea, we should make an effort to clean the rock, but, no one calls the shots on who's guilty for doing what was necessary to get down from altitude in a dangerous situation. No one has the right. If you really wanna be the bearer of consequences, yelling with a keyboard is just straight annoying to the rest of us laid-back people. This is not a homicide.

I am APPALLED that good-pro saw this and did NOTHING to help. If you see old/worn-out webbing/rappel/whatever, whether it's choking a tree or not, REMOVE IT YOU IDIOT, so some other idiot (like me) does not use it.

TylerPhillips wrote:No. If I want to get down and a tree is there for the slinging I will do whatever I damn well please.

Stop planting trees where bolts belong!!!!