Anyone make a 2' (60 cm) Dyneema quickdraw?
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After reading about Wayne Crill's accident, and the ensuing discussion of how to make systems safer, I began searching for such a thing but can't find one. Metolius makes a long one but it's not quite long enough and comes with carabiners. Yates Rabbit Runners are way too long. I'm looking for thin Dyneema like BD's or Mammut's... Is such a thing made? |
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I recently got these for sport anchors or multi pitch where there are bolted anchors. Mountain Tools also makes many sizes of rabbit ears. Camp makes .the longest actual quick draw I have seen, about a foot long. |
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I have not come across anything of what you are looking for other than the Metolius long draws of which you stated earlier. |
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Using lockers, clove-hitching the 'biner (or otherwise securing it with tape or other method) are not viable options for me. |
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Josh Janes wrote:(or otherwise securing it with tape or other method)...for folks using the tape method be aware that it presents the same risk as the rubber band method unless you lock in the biner with a knot to prevent it from loading solely on the tape/rubber band |
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Josh Janes wrote:After reading about Wayne Crill's accident, and the ensuing discussion of how to make systems safer, I began searching for such a thing but can't find one. Metolius makes a long one but it's not quite long enough and comes with carabiners. Yates Rabbit Runners are way too long. I'm looking for thin Dyneema like BD's or Mammut's... Is such a thing made?Welll not Dyneema but Stubai make 16mm nylon ones in 60cm with sewn-in rubber karabiner keepers. stubai-bergsport.com/quickd… Must be horrific racked on your harness though! |
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Bearbreeder I was hoping you'd chime in with where I could find such a piece of gear rather than hijacking my thread with a PSA. Oh well! |
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Josh, |
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You could try and use 1/2" tubular webbing as a sheath over the entire length of the sling. Not sure if it will pass through. |
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^^^ Never thought of this. |
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BigFeet wrote:Josh, Why not make your own, for it would probably be less expensive. Buy some Titan cord or similar, cut to your specification, knot around carabiner so that there is no room in the loop for the carabiner to unclip from. 120+ cm lenght (to account for double fisherman's) tied in a loop, eight on a bite at rock and rope side, add carabiners, done.another PSA here ... use a triple fishermans with titan or thin dyneema cord as to the OPs question, i went through it all in a recent thread with the various options, as have the folks upthread here if im worried i just use a locker, 2 opposed biners, or add a clove/overhand/fig8 ... and as stated above you can make your own even with rabbit runners you still need to secure the end somehow, the advantage is that its less likely that that you get the "rubber band failure" scenario in these cases regardless without lockers/opposed biners on both ends youll still have the issue of the rock side biner failing the same way ... the question is how many steps and specialized gear do you add/take to prevent what is likely a rare occurrence? note that lockers on both ends, or a second opposed draw in critical placements help prevent multiple failure scenarios on critical "cannot fail" placements |
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bearbreeder, |
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bearbreeder wrote:the question is how many steps and specialized gear do you add/take to prevent what is likely a rare occurrence?Actually, that is NOT the question. The question is: Does anyone make a 2'/60cm dyneema (thin) quickdraw? I've already said that lockers, doubling up 'biners, and other shenanigans like that are not an option for me. So far the closest thing is the Metolius Long Draw (but it is a little short and comes with 'biners). I may try the Titan cord idea and see how it works for me but am holding out hope for a longer draw. |
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you might be able to get someone to make some custom for you, maybe runout customs, yates, etc? |
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Mountain Tools in California will do custom lengths according to their website: |
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Josh Janes wrote: Actually, that is NOT the question. The question is: Does anyone make a 2'/60cm dyneema (thin) quickdraw? I've already said that lockers, doubling up 'biners, and other shenanigans like that are not an option for me. So far the closest thing is the Metolius Long Draw (but it is a little short and comes with 'biners). I may try the Titan cord idea and see how it works for me but am holding out hope for a longer draw.I think Bluewater is the only company making short rabbit runners but they are 1" nylon. bluewaterropes.com/product/… Otherwise Sterling makes 44" dyneema rabbit runners that can be racked like a traditional extension draw. |
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Why not just throw a few lengthwise rows of stitching (these aren't load bearing, obviously) into a normal 2 ft sling? Make one end loop snug for the rope end biner. |
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I've ended up using all of Bearbreeders recommendations over the last month or so (locker, extra biner, and clove) depending on the situation. While everything might be fine without it, my confidence is always higher when I trust my gear, which means I'm less likely to fall because I'm less scared about falling. |
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Gunkiemike wrote:Why not just throw a few lengthwise rows of stitching (these aren't load bearing, obviously) into a normal 2 ft sling? Make one end loop snug for the rope end biner.at the risk of being derided for another PSA ... there is the possibility of the same failure as the tape/elastic especially when you extend it ... however one MPer has come up with a way that may possibly avoid that failure scenario a few years ago ... mountainproject.com/v/warni… test and use at your own risk as they say |
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If you can't find what you're looking for, have you considered that you could take an open sling and sew it flat, leaving the loops at the ends? That's essentially what the metolius Long-Draw is. Joining the two sides wouldn't be structural, It's just a cleaner way of doing the tape-job in the picture above (or the "thread it thru some 1/2" nylon" suggestion). |
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Crill's accident eeked me out about long runners in situations where unclipping would be disastrous/game over as well. I purchased one of these: |