can I have my portal edge back?

reboot wrote: An abandoned car has many toxic components that will need to be properly disposed of, not to mention if it's left close to a road/off-trail is a potential hazard. Your beer cans are trash, they have no value. I'm not saying the OP should've left his stuff there, even if he was subsequently injured. But I bet whomever took his stuff thought he stumbled on a jackpot. And if that didn't give him enough pause to think how he's fucking over someone else, it makes him a d-bag. Simple.

You know full well what I'm saying and you're avoiding the point. Your arbitrary moral high ground is a strawman. It's hard to 'fuck over someone' who left their belongings (trash to all but fellow climbers) unattended on public property for a year.

Someone probably did stumble on to a jackpot, like finding $100 bills blowing in the wind. That doesn't mean they acted unethically. For all you know they passed by it ten times before considering cleaning it up.

Ray Pinpillage wrote: It's hard to 'fuck over someone' who left their belongings (trash to all but fellow climbers) unattended on public property for a year.

Then proceed to only keep the valuable (to climber) part of the stash? It was left at 12K ft and not along where weekend "mountaineer" would pass by. Who do you suppose took it? You average overweight couch surfer?

reboot wrote: Then proceed to only keep the valuable (to climber) part of the stash? It was left at 12K ft and not along where weekend "mountaineer" would pass by. Who do you suppose took it? You average overweight couch surfer?

Probably someone who walked past it all summer.

Ray Pinpillage wrote: Someone probably did stumble on to a jackpot, like finding $100 bills blowing in the wind. That doesn't mean they acted unethically. For all you know they passed by it ten times before considering cleaning it up.

The first time I ever went to the valley, I lost my wallet (biking along the trail on a rest day) with over $100 in it. It was my fault, I didn't expect to get it back. Yet a week later, it was mailed back to me with everything intact. Most likely, it was returned to lost & found by a tourist. Judging from the responses on mp.com, I'd much rather make friends w/ tourists than some of the so called climbers here.

The haulbag was up there for three weeks. Anyone coming off the red wall, or descending the camels back could of seen it. Whoever carried it down I would like to chat with and say thanks. All the rangers who work in the BCO and longs peak trailhead knows something about it. And all the rangers have been extremely nice. My ropes where in very good condition and my sleeping bag is in perfect condition. I am not the climber who almost died up there. Badly sprained ankle. Oh and the jackknife that says 1996 Vail on it is pretty personal too.
Chris.

Why wait a year to ask for help?

You would have likely had plenty of offers to help get your gear back if it would have been posted in a timely fashion. As it stands, Ray is speaking the cold hard truth on the matter. It was abandoned by any objective standards.

Jason Todd wrote:Why wait a year to ask for help? You would have likely had plenty of offers to help get your gear back if it would have been posted in a timely fashion. As it stands, Ray is speaking the cold hard truth on the matter. It was abandoned by any objective standards.

Not sure I support my own position anymore. If the gear was only up there for three weeks a case can be made that it was not abandoned.

Chris White wrote:The haulbag was up there for three weeks.

Chris, I am confused. From your now deleted original post I and others thought it was left for a much longer time. Could you clarify a bit for us. I know at the end of the day it does not help you directly but it would help. Thanks.

This thread is getting weird. I'm out.

Allen Sanders wrote: (how do you put this in a box) From your now deleted original post I and others thought it was left for a much longer time.

After talking to the rangers i guessimate that the bag was up there for 3 weeks. I was up there late July. I am not good at keeping track of days when climbing. Got a timestamped photo. The bag (whatever was left) was carried down mid August. Still got to talk to the actual Climbing Ranger and then i will probably have way more info. I really don't feel good about this, as i flailed and got hurt and all that. We or I usually kickbutt when we go up there. The worst to be is that i buy all new BD cams. And acquire a new portaledge. I am too Fat to climb right now anyways. I will be up there next July with a partner and whatever support and stoke we need.

Went up there today and got my Pins and Hand Drill.

Allen Sanders wrote: From your now deleted original post I and others thought it was left for a much longer time.

Chris White wrote: After talking to the rangers i guessimate that the bag was up there for 3 weeks.

aaaad I'm back in.

So your bag was up there for 3 weeks before it was brought down BUT you took a year to go back and find this information out if I'm not mistaken? It seems like you're trying to use this time frame to take heat off of how long you left your stuff there.

Really wishing one of us had quoted your original post. Really kinda strange that you'd change the OP because "it sounded like whining" according to your own words, only to keep all the whining in the post explaining why you deleted part of the OP and remove the part that made us think you took a year to go back for your bag.

The fact that part of your stuff was brought down after 3 weeks is irrelevant to how long you choose to leave it there. Correct me if I'm wrong, did you go back to check on your stuff 3 weeks after you left it, or a year after you left it? Or a different amount of time?

who cares. I am not up for a ethical debate. Just want my friggin portaledge back. Which is probably not going to happen. Yes i Fucked up!.
Yeah right, whoever took the portaledge is using it right now in Yosemite, Yeah right!!!! There's a lot of nights on that ledge. Not just by me.
Will not need a ledge next time anyways.
Later,
Chris White.

Zappatista wrote:In ten years, I would like the time spent considering non-issues like this back. I feel like the statute of limitations should compensate for the unfortunate occasional dips in fun due to face palming a bit too hard about things left unattended for weeks or longer. The part I really like is the deletion of the OP, followed by identifying certain specific items as being "all I want back, it's sentimental, man". I once had an email about a "lucky draw" going missing at a chipped sport area. I was honored to be associated with a lucky draw left on the first bolt of a chipped masterpiece, but had to regretfully bow out of he running as I had been out doing actual rock climbing and not "projecting the gnar" and "leaving the booty to be plucked by anyone who happened to walk by". It's a damn shame when savages walk around picking up valuable property left by good honest people in the good faith that humanity is by and large sainted and also keeping up with mp forums on the reg. I must most regretfully cast you lot out as a complete Leopard, sorry, sorry everyone.

I'm beginning to realize that this was the only worthwhile post of the entire thread (including my own).

An ironic thing about this whole debacle is that (from what I understand) a competent climber got injured on a climb, self-rescued and left his gear on the ground (not on the wall). If it was a big production intra-agency rescue, the gear would've been zealously guarded on the interwebs, many people would have volunteered to run up and retrieve it and get themselves a good pat on the shoulders and boast on MP, and all would've pondered how the victim could've should've self-rescued or not gotten himself injured in the first place.

I think some of the confusion in the timeline of what happened comes from OP using the term "last July" in the original post. Most speakers of US English take that to mean he left his stuff in July 2013. I think he left it in late July 2014, went back in mid-late August 2014, and then posted here a week later.

doligo wrote:An ironic thing about this whole debacle is that (from what I understand) a competent climber got injured on a climb, self-rescued and left his gear on the ground (not on the wall). If it was a big production intra-agency rescue, the gear would've been zealously guarded on the interwebs, many people would have volunteered to run up and retrieve it and get themselves a good pat on the shoulders and boast on MP, and all would've pondered how the victim could've should've self-rescued or not gotten himself injured in the first place.

Sprained ankles don't get as much sympathy.

Brian Abram wrote:I think some of the confusion in the timeline of what happened comes from OP using the term "last July" in the original post. Most speakers of US English take that to mean he left his stuff in July 2013. I think he left it in late July 2014, went back in mid-late August 2014, and then posted here a week later.

Doubt it. There's been multiple references to a year in the timeline, multiple questions about the timeline, the OP specifically took out the references to the time it was up there in the original post (while repeating most of what was deleted) once people started pointing out the issue, the OP tried diverting the attention from how long he intended to leave the bag to how long the bag was on the ground before someone brought parts down, and the OP specifically chose not to ever answer the remaining questions about how long it had been. If it was July 2014, I would think he would have corrected the mistakes about a year early on or responded with a couple of words to the direct questions if for no other reason than to stop the thread from veering off his intended topic.

Keep in mind, everyone wants him to get his emotionally valuable stuff back. Everyone is impressed with the self rescue and hopes his recovery goes well. AND some of us IN ADDITION have questions about his choices in leaving gear out there for so long.

Nuance is a good thing.

Brian Abram wrote:I think some of the confusion in the timeline of what happened comes from OP using the term "last July" in the original post. Most speakers of US English take that to mean he left his stuff in July 2013. I think he left it in late July 2014, went back in mid-late August 2014, and then posted here a week later.

No. Read his later posts. He left it August of '13. Just now went to check on it (a year later). From talking to others he "guesstimates" it was there 3 weeks before it got picked up. He did not find this out until 49 weeks after it was picked up, however.

I can't imagine the mindset that leaves a huge pile of gear on public land in a popular area and expects it to be there a year later. I understand he had a bad sprained ankle, that sucks. There should have been some organized communication with rangers, friends, other climbers to retrieve it sooner. I am certain there are more than a few climbers on MP who would have been happy to help. Leaving for a year with no attempts to get it...sprained ankle or not.... seems like extremely low probability you'd get it back. Good luck though!

Well then never mind. A year?!? Lol

I'm sure if you play more portal, you'll get your edge back. Asking for it wont do you any good.