Delaware Gap Great Arch
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All solid info and advise. Thank you to all who take the time to respond. Crude or rude, or whatever others might be offended, all criticism is constructive as long as you view it as such. |
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Meg Ryan wrote:Question for all you east coasters, from an ignorant CA dude: are these death routes at DWG as sandbagged as that place called the gunks?I wouldn't say they're Death Routes as much as they're seldom climbed, dirty, vegetated, occasionally loose/chossy, beta is limited at best, and there are no chalk marks to follow. The Gap is the Gunks before the carriage road and stairmaster. It's not quite Cannon Cliff, where every week something breaks off, but it's nowhere near as polished, traveled, and documented as The Gunks. I've had some scary days there. I've grabbed holds and seen refridgerator sections of rock wobble, come home covered in poison ivy rashes, screamed at the top of my lungs over traffic to communicte with partners to no avail, dogged falling rocks, carried gardening tools on lead, been caught in lightening storms, once a hail storm with golf ball sized stones, encountered rattle snakes, porcupines, and once I was up on a ledge with a copperhead above me and a black bear below me...neither was going anywhere. I'm glad most people don't like the Gap. I love that it's wild up there. I love the seclusion and adventure. |
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It's pretty sad, actually, that folks can't ask a question or post an impressive pic without the jerks coming out of their cracks. |
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Yes it was a very poor attempt at writing a humorous story and asking for a different guide book and it completely bit me in the ass. My title was probably worst choice of all. I see that very clearly now. I think Doug took more offense than i did however. |
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Jonah Klein wrote:Yes it was a very poor attempt at writing a humorous story and asking for a different guide book and it completely bit me in the ass. My title was probably worst choice of all. I see that very clearly now. I think Doug took more offense than i did however.Jonah.... I liked your story, I have found that even if you think your writting has whit and humor, the level of reading comprehension in your average person is pretty low. I have found it best to use a few LOL and :>) faces when trying to be funney. Please don't die and if you can post up some pics, I would like to see what a overgrown, over the road, east coast choss fest looks like.... cause I just love to frequent those sorts of climbing places. LOL ;>) |
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Thanks. My wife said the same thing. She liked the story but said i need more pics. I'll make a point to take more pics. I can already see the comments on how i would be regarded as a pour tourist climber for just hitting a route to get pictures to post for a ego boost or something along those lines. Should be interesting. |
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Jeffrey Dunn wrote:indicate to me that you are having an abnormal progression into the sport.LMFAO |
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Doug Meneke wrote:It's pretty sad, actually, that folks can't ask a question or post an impressive pic without the jerks coming out of their cracks. I solo up to 5.10 at my favorite place, and will skip bolts on long 5.8 slabs. {...snip...} F* all of you who think you are justified for spewing what's all about YOU! You think it's wrong so you blast away at anyone...even though they are sincere and just asking for input. Sad, sad, sad.FWIW Doug, I can't disagree with your rant more. What you climb at your favorite crag is of no relevance whatsoever, as you're not the guy asking about DWG and you're well familiar with your crag, which the OP is not with DWG. What we actually have here is not jerks on MP holding someone back, but rather locals who are very familiar with DWG giving very sound advise about climbing there. Case in point: Routefinding on Osprey (one of the best climbs at DWG) on the PA side can be troublesome coming off the P1 belay. Iirc guidebook says exit up and left, which means pull over the roof above you. Thing is, there's also an easy looking traverse left to a nice looking vertical crack system that looks much easier and fitting for a 5.6. Unfortunately that traverse puts you on Pain Builds Character, which is 5.10a and something an aspiring 5.6 trad leader has no business being on. Another example is that bolted climb a bit before High Wall area on the PA side. I was standing on a car-sized block above the second bolt and while reaching up to sling a horn the block decided to no longer be part of the cliff. Fortunately my belayer was well off to the side, as it took out a couple large trees on its way to the talus field. So yeah, DWG can be every bit as dangerous as it's made out to be, and the OP would be wise to get a lot more familiar with the place before pushing things or soloing there. |
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not for nothing... |
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Huh. Didn't know you can change thread titles. I liked the original one better. |
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Aric Datesman wrote:Huh. Didn't know you can change thread titles. I liked the original one better.I liked original better as well...So did my Wife, however, it was made very clear to me that my choice in words and lack of emphases on forum humor and ignorance toward proper educate of how i state my status and stature of climbing knowledge makes me out to be a complete idiot. to my own fault of ignorance and given the fact that it seems to be more like politics these days that face value of what one heard or read or interpreted on a forum equals most individuals evaluation of ones climbing ability, I chose to try to save some face before I was cast out as a complete Leopard. My most optimistic outlook is I will better my Solo skill's as no one will climb with me and I look forward to accelerating that particular skill. I do have to say funny thing is I met some very fine climbing individuals who extended a warm inviting welcome and will be climbing with some experienced mentors very shortly. So i guess it worked both ways mostly in my favor as i learned a great deal from this experience. |
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Not to sound harsh, but if a bunch of locals chiming in that they don't want to be the one to find your bloody carcass is enough to make you change the title of a thread on MP, perhaps they're right that DWG is not for you. Don't forget, Hell and High Water is a 5.5X, as evidenced by the cairn at the bottom. And did I mention the Park Rangers having no idea where the climbing is? Even if you tell them it's up the talus slope from Cold Air Cave, which the tour bus stops at? |
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This guy is like the "Borat" of MP. If English is the second language, then great apologize me. Very nice! First accent climbing route...yes? |
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"...Leopards are known for their ability in climbing..." wikipedia |
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I agree with Aric and Michael 100% |